In this episode, Chelsea and our host Kayley talk about wellness rituals, how Chelsea healed her body from the inside out, the importance of positive thinking, and how to meditate. If you are new to our channel, We're happy you clicked on our video! Hopefully, this video made you stay for good!
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]]>Laura and Kaylee emphasize how important it is to sync up the natural rhythms of our bodies with those of nature in order to maintain good health. For example, melatonin is released when it's dark out in order to help us fall asleep while cortisol is produced when it's light out to wake us up. Without sufficient amounts of melatonin being produced due to artificial lighting at night, we may experience difficulty sleeping.
Furthermore, Laura shares her own experience with balancing her circadian rhythm after being diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome many years ago. She was able to recover from this condition largely due to following a sleep schedule that kept her circadian rhythm in balance.
Overall, Laura and Kaylee urge people to follow Miss Biohacker on Instagram (@missbiohacker) for more information regarding biohacking their wellness journey as well as helpful tips for staying healthy such as reducing chronic fatigue through circadian rhythm synchronization and toxin reduction via nutrient consumption. By implementing such habits into one's lifestyle, they hope people can reap all the benefits associated with having a properly balanced biological clock and improved overall health outcomes.
The Interview:
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Kaylee Â
Hi, welcome to the bathing evolved podcast. I'm your host Kaylee and today's guest is Laura. She is known as Miss biohacker. Today we'll be talking about health, wellness, and fertility. She is a nutritional scientist, and she likes to look at things from the chemical and molecular level and overall, how to balance the body for optimal health and well being. I wanted to ask you today, how did you get into health and wellness?
Laura Â
So hello, everyone. I started getting interested into nutrition first when I was 16. My doctor prescribed me the birth control pill because I had bad skin issues, I had acne. And of course, when you don't know better.
I went to the gynaecologist, and she said yeah, of course, you will just get the birth control pill to fix your acne. And shortly after started taking a pill. I gained like more than 10 kg of weight in half a year. I basically exploded and I was like something is wrong. Because of that little pill. Why would I gain weight from that it doesn't give me extra calories. And so, what's the reason? Why do I gain weight when I'm on the pill because that was obviously the only thing that changed. Then I started to research, nutrition and hormones also and oestrogen and what effects it has on our physiology on the female physiology.Â
I quickly found out that I need to change something about my lifestyle. I first started to adapt my nutrition and change my diet; I was not really into fast back then I just tracked my macros and looked at I don't eat too much. I do my training and everything. But I was not too much into hormones and the cycle, the female cycle and everything. Such as the debt continue using the pill. But after two years of bad hormonal imbalances and bad mood swings, and I still just didn't feel good. I just knew that the pill was not good for me.Â
So, I decided to stop taking the pill and I did that. After that my symptoms already vanished basically. However, I realised that health and nutrition is really my passion. So, I decided to become a certified nutritionist and just the normal training first.
I actually went to the army for two years in Germany, and when you're in the army in Germany, they usually support you of getting an education when you want to step back then I didn't know that the army is not really made for woman.
It was really not so smart for me to just do it before without really thinking about it. After two years, I left the army and then I started studying Nutrition Sciences and from that point on, I started working with different companies as scientific researcher. I developed nutrition plans for doctors and worked with clinics to better work with my own clients. I researched on epigenetics and did some additional certifications.Â
Then I just realised that the current health recommendations, the basic health recommendations are not really useful when we see that so many people are metabolically unhealthy or have chronic conditions and yeah, something must be wrong that's what we're here for.
Is it to be nutritionists and health coach in Germany or Europe? What is the kind of nutritional guidelines there? I think I saw a photo one time like the health minister of Germany. She looked was like you can't be like really obese and be healthy. I think she was like someone who was obese, right?Â
Yeah, she was obese, but the next one that came afterwards was even worse. when I hear the stories about America and the health care system, I think it's even worse than in Germany right. Regarding the recommendations from the FDA. But in Germany, it's also not good and not health oriented.Â
It's just the big industries are really involved with the governmental guidelines and what they recommend. If people would follow it, and they do, they would not get better from it, the nutrition guidelines. And quickly when I did my first training for being a nutritionist, I went to an institution. Luckily, that already told us to think critically about what the government tells us, because obviously, it was a governmental institution. So, they're not allowed to say that. It's wrong, but the government tells us, but they just said, yeah, please really think critically about these guidelines and think a bit for yourself. And then I just slowly realised, okay, it's not optimal.
And you ask, how this working? In Germany, I never use this recommendation, obviously, what the government recommends these guidelines? And I don't know if you also have that in us a but we have governmental certified nutritionists.
Do you have that.?
Kaylee Â
To be Yes, certified? Well, there's different boards. I'm going to go through the board of the holistic nutritionist. They teach the FDA the food pyramid, but they also teach like, several different diets. They teach it from a holistic perspective, like what works for the individual. So, I'm going through that board there, of course, nutritionist degrees from the universities that are going to be focused on the food pyramid, a lot of the people who lean more like very conventional very like FDA, or the dietitians.Â
They work pretty much within the medical system, because they're allowed to prescribe diets. Nutritionists aren't allowed to like purse, its weird terminology, but they can't like prescribe a diet to cure a disease. But dietitians can so that how it works there. Is that Is that similar there?
Laura Â
No. In Germany, it's a bit different. It depends on if you're a nutritionist, that certified from the government. If you're certified, it's called, I don't even know the name because I'm not interested in that.
But if your follow these guidelines, you obviously have to recommend the food pyramid and all these basic guidelines that they recommend. So, I said from the beginning, I will not even get that certification. I don't care about that when my clients want to work with me. They asked me for it, and they are not the right clients anyways. I only work with clients that already are a bit further that I don't want someone who's trained from that institution, to teach me how to eat or how to change my lifestyle.Â
In Germany, if you want to prescribe medications, you have to be in a true path or a doctor. So as a nutritionist, I could not do that. But I also don't want to do that. If I work with, for instance, clients that need also perhaps prescriptions, then I would work together with a doctor that is like minded and that we work on the same page when it comes to hormonal imbalances, etc.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, it's important to work with some type of whether it's a naturopath or doctor, just to clear them if they're taking medications and stuff like that. I tell what I know, I used to live in Europe. I used to live in Switzerland, and it's a lot.Â
Laura Â
Its really, please speak.
Kaylee Â
I know, a High German and system a little bit, not fluent.Â
They're having to live there and having a husband who's Swiss German. He's taught me a lot. And I learned from the language apps on my phone.
Yeah, it's a lot healthier there. I think in Europe general. It's much healthier diets. I think in the UK, they start having a similar diet to America with a lot more processed food but like Germany, Switzerland lot they incorporate a lot more vegetables, more soup, stews. But one thing I've seen that's been like an epidemic in that country is the rap. So, the rapeseed oil, canola oil, everything there now.
Laura Â
It's every year. That's true. I mean with you already picked one of the best countries in Europe, when it comes to environmental health and food quality, I really loved it was so beautiful and so much nature. But especially in Germany, you can see their different economic classes also. It's just not so optimal for optimal health. If you want to go shopping here. I went to the battery yesterday to another battery where I usually would go, and there was the steak and it was really high-quality grass-fed steak, everything. But then I asked, okay, did you marinated? they said, yes, but vegetable. So why do we even go by CrossFit meat when everything's covered in vegetable oil, right?
Kaylee Â
Yeah, then it's just oxidising just like the conventional grain fed meat would oxidising in your body. Yeah, it's unfortunate a lot of things you just have to do at home. Now I can't really trust the local market unless it's reading the ingredients. Like whenever I see some type of like pastry, and it says on the label made with butter on like, oh, sigh of relief, you hardly see food made with real, real saturated fats anymore. Saturated fat causing heart disease myth has been debunked for so many years.Â
It's because vegetable oil was released in mass and people, especially men after the Industrial Revolution in their 50s were dying of heart attacks and getting all these heart attacks. They wanted something to blame it on. They scapegoated butter when vegetable oil and trans fat was like a new thing on the market.Â
These kinds of jobs that were like very high stress after the Industrial Revolution they were causing these heart attacks too in these men and yeah, it's just time that as a society as a world we just move on from the saturated fat causes clogged arteries myth, and I mean, yeah, maybe if it's grain fed, GMO cows with the rBST, the growth hormone.Â
There's been a study that showed like such like, how much higher saturated fat that that actually has and the nutrition that saturated fat needs to not cause harm is in the grass fed butter so when it's accompanied alongside all the just junk that's in the conventional dairy then it can cause harm but when we have like real dairy and just real food that's not fed toxins then nothing none of that's going to harm type of fat is going to harm you if it's accompanied by the nutrients you need to process all that. So, what are your thoughts on very on dairy?
Laura Â
Yeah, it's also banned. Everywhere. I guess in the US a too is just not banned, obviously. But this Reagan agenda is what is pushed so badly in Germany with this series called Game Changers you heard about it on Netflix.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, theories? No, I haven't heard of that one.Â
Laura Â
Yeah, doesn't matter. It's what I wanted to say. Just veganism has pushed so hard in all countries right now. So, it's really bad to say that milk is good and obviously I like milk. I prefer raw milk because I don't think we are meant to drink. homogenised or pasteurised milk because all the enzymes are lost, and we can't digest it so well. There are actually these early studies that prove that milk is inflammatory not all of them but a lot of them that did that with highly processed smoke and of course when our body can't digested and there are not the enzymes in there and we can deal with that.Â
Of course, it costs inflammation in the body has also something in Rauma that's called alkaline phosphatase and it's highly anti inflammatory. The inflammatory agents for milk, they're balanced out with this phosphatase however, when they heat it and process it, the alkaline phosphatase is lost. Everything that is left is inflammatory so of course they can say milk is inflammatory, but it's high nutrients. It's delicious and it has actually some good effects on the body. So yeah, I wouldn't like to miss it.
Kaylee Â
What effects are those on the body that you would attribute to raw milk versus let's say conventional milk.
Laura Â
So, of course milk is high in nutrients, for instance, Vitamin A, fat soluble vitamins and we need that and calcium also the minerals and I think that a lot of people don't get the minerals they need from their diet. So, milk is a great way to increase their mineral intake and I've had soluble vitamin intake. But not only milk, also products made from milk like cheese, yoghurt, kefir, etc. I use them almost daily, because I think they're high in vitamins that we need and that we almost can't get from plant foods.
So, especially when we're talking about fertility, for a woman that's going to support her fertility and Hormonal Health, it can really help to include milk products in our diet.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, it there's a diet that I was trained in during my school and it's called the fertility diet and it actually includes ice cream in it. I tried to recommend and stick with Haagen dos. I like how they use real sugar. There's like some on a lot of the labels, especially the simple Haagen Daze it's like the vanilla. It's like five ingredients. It's so simple that's how it should be.Â
Laura Â
Yeah, that's great. I heard that there. Haagen Daze that they're good too. However, they had to scandal last year. Did you hear about that?
Kaylee Â
Yeah.
Laura Â
Some bad ingredients in there. I didn't look it up. But yeah, perhaps I don't know if it's still relevant or not. But I heard that they had some broccoli problems with their ice cream. Yeah, there are some bad ingredients in there.
Kaylee Â
I wonder if that was applying to them like their regular vanilla because I know the like really kooky crazy flavours like cinnamon, I don't know cinnamon crunch, swirl, stuff like that, that has like corn syrup that has like a whole list of ingredients. But like the strawberry, maybe the chocolate that has like the real cream and the real sugar, there's no corn syrup in it. Maybe it was hopefully it was just referring to the kind of gooey.
Laura Â
About it, but I just wanted to let you know. But what's also great is to make self made ice cream with raw milk and
Do you a good ice cream raw maker.Â
I don't have an ice cream maker, but I just mix it with egg yolk and raw cream and raw milk and with vanilla or something else and then I mix it insert and then I put it in the freezer and then assert again and put self made ice cream. But the truth be better known as true maker.
Kaylee Â
Do you have like a tutorial on how to do that on your Instagram or anything?Â
Laura Â
Unfortunately, not. I'm not so good at making food videos. But they are creative cars for instance, ancestral nourishment on Instagram. They make great food tutorials and healthy baking two choices etc.
Kaylee Â
Ancestral nourishment I haven't heard of that one as a Supplements.
Laura Â
I heard about that. Yes. Is that not the brand from liver K ancestral supplements or am I wrong?
Kaylee Â
He was the spokesman for them and that's unfortunate that may Brian Johnson not I guess that was his company. I don't know if he was just the spokesman or if he was the owner.Â
Laura Â
I think he was the owner of the company. I think so. I don't I don't
Kaylee Â
I'm probably gonna go through another company when I'm decide to, because I don't know I've tried liver like I've tried to introduce myself to liver. I didn't grow up eating it like I've tried it like a dozen times, and it seems like every time I eat it, it gets worse for me. I can't stomach it. I think Matt Blackburn just came out with a liver supplement like desiccated beef liver. I know there's like statuary and
Laura Â
yeah, right company. Or elk? Was it even?
Yeah, something like that.Â
Kaylee Â
Yeah.
Laura Â
Can't eat a juicy deliver capsule. I do that too.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, do you eat much Oregon meat?Â
Laura Â
Yeah, I grew up with it because my dad was a butcher. So, we had our own. We have a little farm; we have our own animals. When I was small, we always had a lot of organ meats. So, I don't think it's disgusting. I think it also depends on the quality of the meat strongly. Because once I bought beef liver in a shop and it was so disgusting, I could not finish it at all. But when I go to my farmer and ask him for the liver, and it's crossfaded it's from a younger crowd, and it's much better. And you also need to prepare and lots of, but I actually have liver tutorials on my Instagram. That's what I have.
You must prepare with Apple and onion and butter and garlic and turnips, and then it's so delicious.
Kaylee Â
I'll have to try that. I'll give it another try. I've also heard that people need to be introduced to a food like so many times to start like Yeah, I did do that with mushrooms. And I like mushrooms now my husband he cooked me mushrooms and like 10 different types of ways and still like it's until I could stomach them. And it wasn't until I had them in like a creamy white sauce with like, parmesan. Fettuccine Alfredo, that I started liking them. So, thanks for that tip.
Laura Â
How can you not anymore?
Kaylee Â
Sorry, what was that?Â
Laura Â
How can you not like mushrooms? They're so delicious.
Kaylee Â
I know I grew up with my dad hated mushrooms. So just kind of anything my dad hated like fish and mushrooms and all of us we grew up not eating. Just because he can't even stomach the smell.
He told me a story one time when he was called in college had a lot of mushrooms. I'm not gonna say what kind.
sorry. After that he was so sick of them and couldn't even just couldn't even look at them again. So, I'm not high respect that now. He's psychedelic mushrooms. We're talking about obsessive.
I'm not gonna name anything. But now he's taking liver capsules for his ADHD. There was an hour all crisis recently or not crisis, a shortage recently, and he was affected by that. But just like I got off of ADHD medication, and it changed my life. That's for another story. But he did to recently and yeah, that's so good, because Adderall is it's so unhealthy for the heart and stuff like that. So now he's doing the mushrooms, not the psychedelic ones, but the ones that are like brain boosting like lion's mane and Rishi stuff like that for his brain health. So, I use some tool.
which ones do you use?Â
Laura Â
I use karate Seep’s, then I use Rishi, and Lion's Mane history, and also, I use some flour.
Kaylee Â
How do you take them and what do you take them for?Â
Laura Â
I used to take them in liquid form and just in my coffee or on my car or something. But now I'm just taking powder and I also use them for the brain boosting effects and effects on cellular health and antioxidant rich etc. And I just feel good with them. I'll also use them in a in a tea in form of a tea for sleeping better. And yeah, I'm always trying things, so I liked them.
Kaylee Â
I just started making a I like a hot chocolate blend. Or I'd rather call it a mocha blend because it can be added into coffee. It's not just for hot chocolate, but if it's going to be used for hot chocolate, then just adding some whatever your favourite sweetener is. It's a cacao and seven type of mushroom blend. I just started making that and so I'll send you a sample of that. I add some spices in it some warming spices. Awesome, great.
Yeah, I'm really excited to send you that and hear what you think. It's quite.
Laura Â
They're not psychoactive, right.
Kaylee Â
That's not legal. Is that legal in Germany?Â
Laura Â
You can order them I mean, they're not legal but if you wanted you can order it.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, I'm not really into the psychoactive.
Laura Â
Yeah, it has to be careful actually. Even some plants can be so quite active about knowing it, that you know that even nightshades for instance Sedef nicotine in there in the night.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, I think Nicotine can be I think nicotine it can be quite beneficial in certain circumstances. But I think that people must be careful about which nicotinic substances they consume because there are some nicotinic products that contain additives which make that nicotine quite addictive and there's like physical withdrawals from it.
Laura Â
Products that contain additives which make that nicotine quite addictive and there's like physical withdrawals from it. I can like cigarettes via that I did that I tested that I tested a lot of things on myself, and I heard nicotine is good and accurate some good receptors in the body, so I just wanted to feel it. I took the wrong kind of nicotine, and I was completely addicted I use it every single day. And it was everyday like Okay, today it's really the last time but just one last time and it was like that every day for a year or so. But then I just did radical cuts perfusing nicotine and I just forced myself to not buy new ones again and really people should be careful with when they want to use it for brain boosting effects and focus on everything and it has some beneficial effects as, but they also really need to be careful with the addiction part of nicotine.
Kaylee Â
What product did you use that was addictive.Â
Laura Â
I used to spray nicotine spray and it was a bit too strong for me. I guess it was like four milligrams and 4 milligrams quite a lot when you never smoked or took anything with nicotine before. Then I just, really felt that I could concentrate much better when I used it. So, every time a word or I wrote something, I used it, but then I thought, okay, obviously, the effect leaves after some time, and then I just took another one and another one. And then at some point, I felt like I could not concentrate anymore without it. That was done obviously in addiction, or sometimes I even woke up in the morning and thought, yeah, I already feel like I want some nicotine.Â
Then I realised that I really must stop it because something that should just be like a nice addition to my already quite good focus. Turned out to be an addiction that someday and yeah, I just think it can be dangerous also.
Kaylee Â
I don't really consume it anymore. I used to be addicted to cigarettes. I got gum disease from it at 19 years old. I'm 26 What about you?
Laura Â
I'm 24. So, we're almost the same age.
Kaylee Â
Very cool. Yeah, so I've been cigarette free since I had the dental work done. Yeah, gum disease, it's easy to cure the dentist's just gives you a certain I know some type of gel. It was expensive though. But it was covered under my dad's insurance I was minor at the time. So still under his insurance and then it was easy for me to get off cigarettes.Â
I'm very thankful I didn't have to endure the withdrawals because I had gotten wisdom teeth surgery. So, I was knocked out for like a week with, like drugs they give you for the pain, and it made me very, very sleepy. So, I basically slept through the withdrawal. So, I don't really, you know, have experience in like experiencing those withdrawal. So, I imagine that can be very difficult. Getting off cigarettes.
Laura Â
Yeah, I think so. Because I already found the withdrawal symptoms from just not taking nicotine anymore. I thought every day, should I still drive to the pharmacy to buy a new one should that should? Shouldn't, etc. So, I felt like already I was addicted. But how bad must be when you take 10 times the amount of that every day and then you try to get off of it? Crazy.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, and a lot of it with the smoking. It's not just the nicotine. It's like the oral fixation, the feeling of like the smoke going into your lungs and exhaling. I think a lot of it's a sensory thing like multi sensory experience. So that in the ritual, like people are like, what am I going to do on my break at lunch? Now, like, it's, so what I learned in behaviour changes, just implementing adding a new habit rather than focusing on what you lost, focusing on more what you can add in. So that's the exciting part on quitting a habit that's not serving you is, wow, what new things can I do now? What new things can I experience?
Laura Â
That's true, for instance, a 10-minute meditation instead of smoking a cigar? I bet most people would not do that.
Kaylee Â
I think that's what I started doing. That's I started meditating around that time. Yeah, I started like focusing intentionally on in being aware. And whenever my mind would go off track with the like I said, I got off ADHD medication. I had like, symptoms of ADHD, like just constantly my mind going somewhere not being able to focus or pay attention.Â
I had been medicated for almost 10 years. I just started consciously focusing on what's going on, what do I need to focus on? And that was my form of meditation, just awareness, bringing awareness and train my mind to an I don't think I was even planning on getting off medication.Â
Just one day I woke up and I had so much awareness I had so much like energy, my mind was so awake. And I was like, okay, I'm not gonna take it today and I never wanted to take it after that. So, the mind is so powerful in right. In all this wellness and health offend, gets really the key and centre of it because people can't hold you down and make you do these new habits. You must want to do it. You must be ready mentally to become healthy and strong. You have to be strong and healthy in your mind before you can be in your body.
Laura Â
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that, especially for most people, I think they would not be able to make such a change, just from their mind and just tell them salvia will stop it now and for that you really have to be very aware of what you're doing and what you want.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, exactly. Now, getting on to the next topic, I saw you have an interest in fertility. What are your thoughts on fertility? And why are the rates of infertility rising?
Laura Â
Yeah, good question. I think we could name thousands different things that are causing infertility nowadays, but I think the three biggest factors for reducing fertility is that we don't have the nutrients, or our body doesn't get the nutrients and the things it needs to get anymore. We are all or lots of people are nutrient deficient.Â
The second point, the second factor that contributes to infertility is that we have too many things or too many substances in our body that shouldn't be there. For instance, all sorts of toxins. Let's say just tap water. People drink tap water and people have too much oestrogen in our body because of all the environmental toxins. Then they develop oestrogen dominance.Â
The third part is stress. Because we just have too much stress, we put too much stress on our body. Of course, in a stress state, our body doesn't want to reproduce.Â
That's what I think. And we can break stress down in in different kinds of stressors like mental stress, we have big, big increase in mental stress, we have pathogens, which also contribute to stress, but are usually not the cause. Because our body, of course, has an immune system, and we can deal with pathogens. But if there are too many stressors, of course, our body, the immune system gets overburdened, and can't deal with this stress anymore. And then yeah, we can see dropping fertility rates.
Kaylee Â
I wanted to home in on one thing you were saying. You mentioned tap water. What is it in tap water that you think is like making people sick and infertile? And answer that then I have another question for you on tap water after.
Laura Â
So, tap water, obviously, depends on where you live. I think in some places of the world, it's worse than in others. In Germany, for instance, they say you can drink the tap water, and it's no problem. But obviously, a friend of mine made the test with the tap water and you can still find high, high rates in there of arsenic and heavy metals and also, hormones.Â
Because of all the medications and the birth control that Gods take. There are a lot of artificial ailments and their other medications. You find even radioactive substances in there. The problem is that they have limits, but everything that is below the limit, and they find that in the tap water, it's not a problem.Â
They don't record that, and it just say, Okay, if it's not over that limit, the tap water is fine and even if you boil the water, they can still find then these heavy metals in there because there don't get too soft when you boil them.Â
This is why when you really want to drink tap water, I would really filter it. Why would just not drink tap water at all and would get a good spring water here in Germany, we have some good, I don't know how it is and where you live. But yeah, that's something to be really careful about also the fluoride in the tap water.Â
It interferes with the pineal gland; it cuts you flat classifies the whole body if you have too much of it. It can cause a really a lot of damage to your hormonal balance in the body because the pineal gland also controls the hormonal balance. There are a lot of reasons to not consume tap water anymore, and I didn't even speak about bacteria and parasites that they don't even test it for. I know from a client I heard you was working for a water testing company, and it has these houses and he said he would not even get showered on that as water because it's so full of Things You don't want on or in your body.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, we have a shower filter and it's infused with vitamin C. It's not like some fancy one. I think we got it on. I0t's on Amazon. I don't know why they add the vitamin C, I know that vitamin C is good for the skin, though. So that might be reason I was going to ask about the prescription drug problem if you'll have that in your tap water too.Â
How would you get rid of like, what are the compounds in those prescription drugs that are kind of messing with us? And how do you get rid of that? I mean, besides like, just a filter for the people who don't have a filter like in their shower or their, their tap.
Laura Â
If they can't get a filter for the house, and I really would not drink the tap water at all. I would just not use it. I would just get a class bottled water. And look at the source. Spring Water of course, even in spring water, we find things we don't want to and imbalance minerals. But in my opinion, it's still better than drinking tap water and filtered tap water.Â
Of course, medications all kinds of medications there. Everything can be in there that influences us, especially I think one of the biggest problems is still birth control because the hormone state can't get filtered. Then it's in the tap water and there's a great book. It's called oestrogen. Have you heard of that?
Kaylee Â
No. It's that's a book.
Laura Â
Yeah, that's a book. It's about that our world today is just flooded with oestrogen, artificial oestrogen. We really need to find ways to detox it from our body because it not only creates imbalances in women, but also in men and it makes men, female, because they also have too much oestrogen. Of course, that's a reason why fertility drops if fertility rates are dropping.Â
One of the things he recommended was going to the sauna regular and taking balance like activated charcoal to eliminate excess oestrogen, but also, we already spoke about eating liver because liver has nutrients or choline, retinol, and pivotal moments to help deliver eliminate excess oestrogen that was something he recommended to support methylation and liver lesions. and liver detoxification.
Kaylee Â
So, your top recommendations for detoxing the excess oestrogen would be saunas, organ meats, and what else and what foods do you think are best for binding excess oestrogen.
Laura Â
Just sweating in general also from sports and then taking vulnerable with like activated charcoal? There's something famous called a raw carrot salad with coconut oil. It can also eliminate excess oestrogen but also just fibre rich foods in general. I think the carrots are really good tolerated by most people.Â
So, I would go for that. Rocklin carrot a day keeps the oestrogen away. I mean, oestrogen is not. It's also not bad for your hands needed, especially woman but just the access of it and the artificial oestrogen has been shown to cause a lot of problems in physiology. Regarding foods, they are also the fat-soluble vitamins that can help balance the oestrogen levels in the body especially Vitamin K, Vitamin E and, of course, you can supplement it, or you can just try to get it from foods. I tried to eat cod liver oil. I take that for the fat-soluble vitamins. Also, for vitamin D. or cheese is rich in Vitamin K, especially all the animal products are great for that. That's what I would do to combat excess oestrogen.
Kaylee Â
In America, there's a lot of pesticides here. It was shown that this pesticide called Atrazine would change the genders or the from a turn males and females and I think that the pesticides could definitely be linked to. Well, I know it's been linked to infertility. There are these great farmers that when pesticides were first introduced, who were formerly very fertile, they're Mexican and usually Mexican people are very fertile especially because they eat so many Beans and beans have a certain compound in them that boosts fertility. But they started farming grapes in California and they lost their ability to conceive.Â
What do you think that we could do to combat pesticide exposure is some things we can do to help detox those from our body.
Laura Â
So, first of all, what I will do is try to not consume pesticides, and food that was sprayed with it. There's something called the Dirty Dozen. There's a list you can Google that think it's about 20 fruits and vegetables that are extremely proud to be contaminated by pesticides.Â
The second thing that people can do is to soak the fruit and vegetables and baking soda, because it can basically get rid of it. But you also get rid of some vitamins and minerals a bit. But it will still help you to not consume the pesticides.Â
The third thing you can do I know that this is true for glyphosate, if you consume that your body needs extra class in because your body just confuses it with class in your body, and then it uses it for the glyphosate and it binds to it. But if you eat extra class, and you can help your body get rid of the glyphosate and I was also reading a study about especially about glyphosate, that it reduces the mitochondria in your body, and it reduces your cellular energy.Â
Because it basically kills the mitochondria, I have a post about that on my profile of colonies, mitochondrial colonies were never exposed to glyphosate, and you can really see big difference on the pictures that were exposed to glyphosate.Â
So, just try to avoid at all costs and grow your own food if you want to be sure. But of course, not everyone can do that I know that I also when I'm travelling, I also don't grow my own food. So just try to get to know your farmer if he's using it and buy organic produce if you can.
Kaylee Â
One thing that has helped us reduce pesticide and toxic exposures. You can't always do this. But search like organic food near me on Google and the closest like health food restaurant, or maybe like a health food grocery store and they may sell like hot food or like deli sandwiches, stuff like that.Â
You can do that while you're travelling you don't just because you're travelling does not mean you need to eat a truck stop and eat all the food with the crappy ingredients. I've had to do that sometimes they're not every town, especially the towns in the south United States. I was surprised how there's not a lot of healthy eating there.Â
But can't always do that. But whenever you can try to search organic food near me or seasonal restaurant near me where they have seasonal vegetables included in their menu. What would you say is like the difference between maybe American burgers and short American McDonald's and German McDonald's is there that same kind of like better quality than American fast food.
Laura Â
I don't know much about American fast food. But what I know about McDonald's in Europe, they used to back the fries once and beef tallow, but by now they just do everything with vegetable oil, and the food and the meat. It's highly processed.Â
So, they even use meat like what they didn't need from the meat and bones and everything. They just mix it all together to make a burger out of it. So here in Europe, McDonald's would be the last meat I would consume. If I would have to starve otherwise, and I would eat at McDonald's and I would take activated charcoal of it to just make sure that the toxins don't get absorbed so much that I eliminate most of them again, hopefully.Â
But do you think there's a big difference in US and Europe?
Kaylee Â
Yeah, a lot of the pesticides are banned in Europe. That's true, the US. Canada has similar food quality as Europe, but I mean there's a lot of like, unhealthy people and unhealthy diets still and processed food and I think it’s getting worse in Europe. They're banning the chemicals. But now they're doing all this vegetable oil, this vegan propaganda, which is just so inflammatory on the body.Â
what do you think about the effect of vegetable oil and plant milks and the like vegan kind of like oils effect on the body?
Laura Â
I think they're toxic, and that people should avoid it as much as possible, especially when you just look at these oils, they're unsaturated. What happens when you heat them is that they oxidise, and they become trans fatty acids.Â
Our body can't see the difference between stable and healthy fatty acid and a toxic fatty acid that is already oxidised, like the trans fatty acid. It still uses these fatty acids to build it in our cell membranes, which then become dysfunctional because we can't let a nutrients and oxygen into the cell and the toxins out of the cell, because they're made up by trans fatty acids.Â
Especially this plant monks that are pushed so hard at the moment. They usually contain canola oil, or MCT oil or sunflower oil. You basically eating your drinking toxin mug if you really consume that and think that's more helpful. Obviously not you and speaking to the potential vegan that listens to this.Â
So yeah, I would really not drink that and it's crazy how a market is marketed as healthy and good milk alternative. It's basically full of processed foods that are not healthy at all for the body.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, I've heard the effect of trans fatty acids. It's like putting a lock. Like ourselves, it's like a keyhole. It's like putting a key through the lock, and the key breaks in so no one can get through that that door anymore. We kind of heal.Â
How can we heal ourselves of the effects of trans fats if we're just learning this information now? Or if like someone was travelling, and they had to consume some of the stuff with the trans fats for a period? How can they heal their body from that?
Laura Â
So, first of all, I would obviously stop eating them and then I would try to eat healthy fatty acids that are for instance, in meat. Meat contains healthy fatty acids, unprocessed fatty acids, and don't take any of these seed oils or vegetable oils or anything like that anymore and don't eat unsaturated fatty acids. Even meat contains unsaturated fatty acids, but it's usually protected by antioxidants and also Vitamin E for instance, a strong antioxidant which can prevent the oxidation of the unsaturated fatty acids and when you look into nature, everything that is unsaturated our comes with an unsaturated fatty acid, usually also has antioxidants around that protects the oxidation of that.Â
Only when we make vegetable oil or seed oil, we stop or we just get rid of the antioxidants and then of course, it gets oxidised and harms our body. So, this is the first thing I would do.Â
The second thing is you can increase your fat-soluble antioxidant intake like Vitamin E for instance, which can help decides to cover from unhealthy fatty acids or from oxidised fatty acids.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, I just saw that. Vitamin E has a positive effect on fertility. Matt just shared that study on his Instagram. So that was interesting how we've been talking about fertility and learning about fertility and mentioning the vitamin E and that's a key role a key antioxidant. I think it's important that people are taking the multiple tocopherols the vitamin E is called a tocopherol but there's like alpha, Gamma.
Laura Â
I agree with you. I also took that vitamin E supplement where I made sure that the different types of vitamin E are in there. Do you know this other term for which I mean II e form which is not tocopherol Do you know what I mean?
Kaylee Â
No, no What is it.?
Laura Â
Took with you, took a shower. I don't know. I have.
Kaylee Â
Yeah.
Laura Â
You know what I mean?
Kaylee Â
Tell me about that.
Laura Â
That's just another form of Vitamin E and this is why when we just take the isolated form, we really need all the different forms of vitamin E and not just one of them.
Kaylee Â
Which vitamin E supplement? Do you recommend or that you take?
Laura Â
I don't even know the brand that I'm taking.
Kaylee Â
I am glad that Matt just came out with a supplement that is a smaller form that you can kind of do with the dosage what you want and kind of throughout the day, and that has the most multiple tocopherols I don't think that has the tocotrienols I'm not sure really. What company does sell the tocotrienols. I know there's some companies out there but I haven't started taking those yet, but I definitely want to get more into that.
Laura Â
Yeah, I should, I don't know about these different forms anymore.
Kaylee Â
I heard it's more of an unsaturated but it's also like more like potent in some ways. It was found in what is it a natto and Natto is a plant that is actually use.
Laura Â
what do you talk about?
Kaylee Â
A Natto is a plant that is used for food colouring and a lot of the special mac and cheese or like instead of the yellow dye they use a natto but that is a source of tocotrienols too.
Laura Â
Oh crazy I never heard about them.
Kaylee Â
Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you what some signs of optimal fertility in men and women I’ve are heard, like a good amount of hair long hair is a sign of fertility. What are some other signs?
Laura Â
So, like you just said hair, strong nails, and good-looking glowing skin. I was speaking about woman or both man and woman.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, well we can talk about what are some signs in women. What are some signs in men? In outward signs and also some inward signs.
Laura Â
So, for women it's great to track their cycle, the natural cycle. I do that with a thermometer to see if I ovulate and yet keep track of my cycle, you can also track the cervix. I don't know if you've heard about that, that you can track the mucus of the cervix to see in which cycle phase you are.
Kaylee Â
I've heard of that.
Laura Â
Yeah, I do that. I actually have a book right next to me about a topic, just reading that, but it's in German, unfortunately, and explains these different cycle stages and mucus how changes over the cycle. So that's a great way for a woman to track the cycle and see how if their hormones are balanced or not.Â
Then another sign of good fertility in woman is, obviously when they feel more, let's say, sex drive, when they ovulate, that's also a good sign and woman, usually, around the time when they're ovulating should just have a higher sex drive and after that the luteal phase, the sex drive usually decreases again, and it's not as high anymore.Â
For men, it's very different because they have a 24 cycle and not like woman and have the testosterone and they usually feel like woman when they ovulate every day and that's crazy for a woman to imagine that right. That every single day, I could not imagine. Yeah, and then for men, a good sign for to be fertile is obviously if they have good erectile function, especially in the morning.Â
If everything's working there, because a lot of these fertility support, supplements or therapies are aimed for women, but they forget that a lot of men are infertile too and that it's not always the woman that is the problem of the fertility issues.Â
So, temperature should not be too cold. I always say a cold body is sick body. If the temperatures below 36.88 should not be below that. It's not good. Actually, women can track their cycle if their temperature increases around 2.5 degrees when they ovulate. That's a good measurement for a woman that that the body temperature should increase.Â
This is also how you can track your cycle with a thermometer. This is how I did it for years now. I really liked the method because you also just get to know your body better. Now I'm in my luteal phase where I'm more prone to mood swings, and it's just normal that you don't want to do so much. When you're in the follicular phase, you want to do more, you're more energetic, etc. I think that's great for a woman even if they want to use it as contraception or if they wanted to use to perceive that's a great way for them to get to know their bodies better and listen to their cycle and their body.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, I've always tracked mine from the day of the month, kind of knowing what's the best day to have relations with my husband. To like space out my children because I have two right now I just had one two months ago. I don't want to conceive. I don't want to conceive too early because that's going to use 20 of my resources like my minerals. I need to spend the next couple of years building my minerals, again, my vitamins, balancing my hormones because my oestrogen is like crazy low right now.Â
So, it's for my best and the next child's wellbeing even for their physical appearance having too many children close together can affect the child's physical appearance and there are certain things like their eyes I don't know if it would if it's like their eyes are too close together or their eyes will be more far apart.Â
If they're too close together just for everyone's wellbeing on spacing them out at least two years. Is the best so I go by the day of the month and I know always in on my birthday is my time at the month. So, I try avoiding like, those like six days, like three, three to four days before or like three to four days after like being, extra cautious and using some sort of like natural. If we're using like a type of contraception, that's like, we're not going for like the big box brands of like condoms.Â
It's more like the there's more natural brands that use like, I guess the type of vegan latex and apparently the vegan latex is less sensitizing to down there was a lot of information, but the paper on the topic of fertility, so kind of talking about what we do to help prevent a pregnancy when before the optimal time to do so.Â
So yeah, I used to be on birth control. I was young, I did that for painful cycles. But what we've talked about, and all the tips we've presented can prevent painful cycles. I don't even feel my cycle anymore. Meaning like my time of the month. I mean, because our cycle it's not just time of the month, there's like the increase in progesterone during the was that like the luteal phase and then the follicular phase that's like a rise in oestrogen to thicken the lining.Â
So, it's not just like cycles, not just menses, there's a lot to it. There are different herbs that you should take in different foods or seeds that you can eat during the different types of phases to benefit those phases. I know someone who was battling infertility for years and she started posting on her Instagram, she was like, I started, I went to a naturopath, and I've been in fertile for five years and I was prescribed seed cycling then like one or two months later she got pregnant.Â
So, it's incredible the fact that food and chemicals and food I'm not saying like chemicals as in like that for you. I just mean like, everything's like a chemical. So, like just the compounds and foods herbs has on the effect on her body and the hormones. Yeah, just there can be a really rigorous protocol for someone who has issues like amenorrhea, which is when people don't get they’re their menses, for whatever reason.Â
Usually, it's due to stress or over exercise. But with the PCOS and endometriosis, it can be a little harder, trickier to get back on track and more rigorous because with people who are losing their periods, merely because of stress and over exercise, you just stop over exercising, you take some adaptogens you meditate, breathe deep breaths. What do you think about how can we help the epidemic of PCOS and endometriosis? What are your like top tips and overview of that?
Laura Â
So, my top tips are obviously to support the body with the nutrients it needs because a lot of them what assaults on my clients is that they just don't eat nutrient dense and that they should really focus on eating really nutrient dense and especially also fat soluble, vitamin dense and Vitamin etc. diet and what they should also consider.Â
So, I know some women suffer from that cysts and that can prevent fertility too. What has been shown to help with that is something like not too that's an enzyme that can help break down these cysts and also other enzymes like serrapeptase Have you heard about it?
Kaylee Â
That is in the dissolve that all supplement from mighty life. I know we've talked about my life so, much and the guests we had on before he changed his life with the CLF protocol, which is like the minor life protocol that's so interesting. We talked about all these supplements and there's like just a central website, that central company where you can get all these supplements that will just really benefit most people, if not everyone, because the soil is so depleted and we're getting sprayed with all this weird stuff in the air, something in the water.
Laura Â
That's true. I totally agree. It's really crazy that all the nutrients that we almost get depends on where we live and how the food is prepared, and our soil was but so much depletion of good nutrients. Where were we what else the PCOS tips to support the cycle. What I also saw that a lot of women that suffer from PCOS, that they have an oestrogen or progesterone imbalance, and that they have too much oestrogen.Â
They cannot build enough progesterone. But I found helpful with that is actually just Akkadian with them is super dis aligned. When we look more closer to circadian rhythm, we see we perceive eyes to our light to light then sent a signal to the brain to the hypothalamus, where all of our hormones and nervous system is regulated and this then gets sent to the pituitary gland or the pineal gland, which releases hormones or stops hormones from being released.Â
A lot of people are they don't have a very good circadian rhythm anymore and they have too much blue light at night and not enough natural light during the day. So, the body gets a sickness that it will produce cortisol because things it's midday, but in reality, it's night and they want to sleep but then they don't produce melatonin, which is also strong antioxidant and let us help recover during the night and human growth hormone should be produced where we rejuvenate.Â
It's also really important for fertility. But because of this circadian mismatch, all of our hormones and the nervous system is completely imbalanced that can lead to infertility to actually even sun and UV has been shown to increase fertility and it's crazy that's also why most people are more fertile during summer than in winter.Â
Because they get more UV, they're more on the natural light with their skin. What they can do is just to support a circadian rhythm again, to go more out and the natural light during the day because 90% of the time of our day, we are indoors actually. We're never outside and when we are outside, usually only with our face, or we even wear sunglasses or cover or face some cream and with the media also plays a role in that.Â
Because we can't produce enough melatonin, sorry, but Jimmy Dean of melatonin, and that also interferes with the sex hormones and cholesterol because all the sex hormones are based on cholesterol and sunlight also helps to convert them together with nutrients like retinol. So, we have to make sure that our body gets all of the sickness it needs to be even able to reproduce.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, a stressed out or depleted body can't really carry as healthy of a pregnancy as or even any pregnancy. In many cases we're seeing today with the rise of infertility as a nourished body. I read today how cortisol or excess cortisol because we need cortisol, excess cortisol can be so detrimental to the fertility hormones. How can we support healthy cortisol levels?
Laura Â
So, first of all, when we look at hormonal cascade, there's the base cholesterol, which we all need to build the sex hormones but also to build cortisol. The problem is if we have too much stress, the body uses the resources it would usually use to build progesterone and oestrogen and testosterone but makes cortisol and stat out of these nutrients that we would usually need for something else.Â
So, stress itself is a big factor in reducing progesterone and increasing cortisol. But also as I already mentioned, cortisol gets stimulated by blue light, and whenever we are exposed to blue light, we start producing cortisol because this is the time of the day usually midday when we are most focused concentrated, which wakes us up which also stops melatonin from being released and just gives us the signal to be alert, awake and not tired in the morning anymore which is great, as you said, we also need cortisol.Â
But the problem is we have, first of all too much stress and also too much blue light that always triggers the cortisol release. We are almost more in the much, much more in the sympathetic nervous system state than in the parasympathetic nervous system state that leads to too much cortisol being produced. What we can do, what I would always start with is to stop the circadian mismatch by just eliminating this blue light, especially at night, like I do right now with the red light device in the background, that I'm just not surrounded by so much blue light at night, because it's, yeah, almost sleeping time.Â
Then I don't want my body to feel stressed because of all the blue light that produces cortisol in the body and also to help the body get back to good circadian rhythm is just to go out in the morning. Exactly, then when you wake up, you go out, you just look at the sky to align your circadian rhythm again and give your body the right sickness to produce cortisol at the right time of the day.
Kaylee Â
That's very interesting. I heard of a study that showed that even when you're blindfolded, or when the participants of the study were blindfolded, they still couldn't sleep with all the blue lights on. So, it's interesting the effect of light on our body that interacts with our cells, and on a hormonal level.Â
Even if our eyes are not directly looking at it, it can still affect the chemicals in the body. I actually had my article featured on this terrible website, which is an infrared light company like the ones that get hot, that can promote further detoxification from the heat and the sweating. My article was how to regulate your circadian rhythm with red light.Â
So yeah, red lights a big thing. Talked a lot about that on the last episode of the podcast, in the different types of red light, there's like the gamma red, which is red light that we can have around us at, like any time of the day, and it uses less electricity. But it's not heated, like the infrared, the infrared is promoting more sweating, detoxification, but it's hot. Can't do it all the time, uses more electricity.Â
But yeah, there's definitely benefits to both how we can use just a multi-sensory approach a multifaceted approach to our overall wellbeing like food environment, there's many ways we can, like you said, reduce excess cortisol and promote a healthy hormone balance. But do you have any final thoughts? It was really good having you as a guest on our podcast, and it's been really fun talking to you.
Laura Â
Thank you. So yeah, I think the final thoughts are that we should really be aware of what we put in our bodies, and that we really try to reduce the toxin exposure as much as possible, but also to support our own body with nutrients to help the body eliminate these toxins that we are not meant to have more in our bodies, and especially not at these high amounts. And yes, we already just spoke about really supporting the circadian rhythm can make big changes in the body, hormonal changes in the body.Â
Especially when it comes to fertility for men and woman, I was reading a study to just have to add that for men that they could fix aerogel dysfunction with UV light exposure. So just saying that's a few will add or two slides in general or threat light, we can really do a lot for our fertility.
Kaylee Â
For people who may not know what the circadian rhythm is, could you explain that before we before we wrap up,
Laura Â
of course, so the circadian rhythm is the 24 hour, day and night cycle that we're exposed to by the sun. And it influences our biological clock, and which basically gets the light signals from our environment to tell us how to respond to performance and in our system, because our body always needs to know what time of the day it is to release for instance, melatonin and to fall asleep, or cortisol to wake up.Â
As you also just said, it's not only through our eyes also our skin cells have photoreceptors where they can sense light with and, and your sense of we're in a light environment or if it's dark, or if you should sleep. And if you don't expose through artificial light at night in front of the TV, or you have light bulbs on when your body is trying to sleep, then it will probably not work because you can't produce melatonin in sufficient amounts.
Kaylee Â
Yeah, then it can be helpful at night. If people are watching screens or TV to have either the blue blocker glasses on or what I do with my phone is there's a blue light blocking mode, which is called like night mode or nightlight, and it makes the screen yellow, and I just always have that on.Â
I practically never have light on my phone for years. I've just kept it on because there's enough blue light from fluorescent lights. I don't need the extra for my phone. So yeah, this was an interesting topic. It's been big for me, reducing chronic fatigue. I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome many years ago, but I just recovered from that.Â
A big part of that was balancing my circadian rhythm. I remember I was staying with my grandma; she was nursing me back to health when I was like, in mobile, basically unable to work from the chronic fatigue. My grandma said to me, noticing I was waking up way late in the afternoon saying you've got your days and nights mixed up.Â
You need your circadian rhythm back in balance, and so I started working on that now I have a good sleep cycle sleep schedule. So yeah, it was it was great talking about all of this. This was so interesting. Everyone follow Miss biohacker on Instagram, check out her content, and I hope people can really benefit from that. I know I have. So, thank you for coming on.
Laura Â
Thanks for having me.
]]>Joining us today in this holiday season is Bob Linville or Biohacking Bobby. We talk about tips for deep-rejuvenating sleep, stress reduction, biohacking, and supplementation. Enjoy the knowledge and good conversation!
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Episode 2 TranscriptionÂ
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Kayley 0:14Â
Welcome to the bathing evolve podcast. I'm your host Kaylee and here we talk about all things. Wellness, biohacking, bathing. Today's guest is Bob Linville. And we'll be talking about stress reduction, and sleep and some of the protocols he does for biohacking wellness and all that fun stuff. One thing we were talking about before that we might want to start off with is light, we're talking about how we get our studio set up and what types of lighting we're using. So Bob is using the red light, and I'm using the opposite kind of like I'm using a blue light that is a phototherapy light, and it is supposed to help produce vitamin D. And in these winter months, it can be hard to get vitamin D, because I'm here in Pennsylvania, and we don't go outside, you know, for an hour a day to get or even 15 minutes, some days to get all the vitamin D we need. So these types of lights, they help this studio quality, but they're also beneficial in helping produce vitamin D. Bob, will you tell us about your light, and also what your glasses may be doing helping you with?Â
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Bob Linville 1:36Â
Sure. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. It's a pleasure to see you. And you're doing a great job on your second podcast and said, I've never done a podcast before done little team meetings and stuff. But your light environment is something that you don't really think of you as far as when you come in indoors. But it's all about protecting your energy. And that's what the blue blockers are when I'm using the computer screens or phones. It really get a lot of mitochondria in your eyeballs, believe it or not. So protecting your energy is important. I've got one on my little computer screen here that I picked up, that kind of adds some extra red light. I've got night lights around the house. So when I get up in the middle of the night, go down downstairs to check on the dog or something. I've got the little red nightlight.Â
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Bob Linville 2:28Â
So all those things will during the day, you get a little blue light in it's good for you. Yeah, you want to get that's why these blue blockers are not the orange or the red version, they're just a block. Some of the blue lights, you're not getting inundated with it. But it's something that you feel better for when I wear these because I go to work and I work under a lot of fluorescent lights, and I get in front of computer screens. So when I don't wear them, I'm usually dragging a little bit more. So I feel a lot better have more energy. And with a seven year old at home, that's important to bring the energy at the end of the day because she wants to run and go play. And that's important to me to be able to do that. So but as far as the lights go, I mean, I just picked up this new little portable light that I was earlier putting on my shoulder. I mean, I've got a big panel that I stand in front of I've had for like, I've had red lights for like five years. I'm 52 years young, but I've kind of you know, the ATP from standing in front of the light, the circulation, all the benefits of red light therapy.
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Bob Linville 3:40Â
So it's kind of just, you know, I haven't gotten too crazy, where I have light bulbs that have changed around the house because my wife goes, Wait a second, what are we doing here, but we do our best. Right? So that's all we can do is do the best that we can and you know, hopefully you know I see the difference. So it's just a matter of having the other people in my family go oh my god, I feel better when I'm you know, they're embracing it.Â
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Kayley 4:06Â
Yeah, a lot of the key to health and wellness is the blood flow. I've learned that headaches can be helped by blood flow, circulation, nitric oxide production. A lot of people have troubles with their limbs when there's no optimal blood flow and that's something red light therapy really can help with and I think that's why people they heal faster from red light therapy, like wound healing, especially more than muscle part muscle healing. Myofascial healing that can a lot of that can be attributed to the lights effect on blood flow and it makes sense because ah I believe that a lot of things like like helps with like so red light with the blood cells, they're both red. And a lot of those things in food and in nutrition, it's the same two red foods help with the cardiovascular system. So it's interesting how deep and complex wellness and health can be with the molecular biology and bio biochemistry, but it can be so simple to is like, Oh, this is red, or this food is shaped kind of like a heart. So it'll help my heart and help with my blood. That's really interesting.Â
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Bob Linville 5:50Â
No, I was just gonna say, you make a good point because we can definitely complicate it and get into the woo woo. And this study, and that study, and people goes right over people's head. So a lot of that times, I love to just try to break it down, make it simple. And then if people ask more questions, then you can get more involved. But the more keep it simple, red light helps with this, this, this, and this, and I feel great. You should try it and see how you feel. Right? So and that's people. The ones that want more or get more but so yeah, thanks again for having me on. I appreciate it. You know, I've kind of I'm 52 years young, as I say, and I say that I feel like I'm eating now. So the things I've been doing over the last five, six years, ever since I left this company that was a natural foods and organic grocery store that I was working for. I laughed, and then when I left, I started implementing some of the things that I should have been doing when I was there. And currently, I'm in back at Ralph's grocery company, in the meat and seafood side. But started off with a cup of coffee that we did it last one's called bulletproof.Â
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Bob Linville 7:02Â
A lot of people started that, I mean, I just drink like, I never drink coffee in my whole life. And I had this cup of coffee, where it wasn't hungry anymore. It was crazy. And I started losing all this weight. And so then you start going down different rabbit holes, went to a Bulletproof Conference, reading a lot of books, and then suddenly, you know, you just get that's I eat sleep drink. I mean, I've got all these books here. And, you know, always looking to just to feel because I felt better at the time, right? So then as evolved and went down some different rabbit holes, I realized that I like protein and carbs together. I feel the best that way that I add a few pounds back. Yes. But you know, with keto, I was like, super, super lean.
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Bob Linville 7:52Â
My wife started saying hey, you know, you need to put more deodorant on, you got to smell you know, she was giving me all this funny stuff that in the end it sent me on this journey. I'm thankful for that cup of coffee with butter because I still have that cup of coffee. But I add a little sugar in and I add a few extra things. I mean, my coffee is like, like a chemistry kind of thing. I'll add different things in. I can't just have regular black and sugar, I want to level it up whether I'm putting raw milk in it, or colostrum or pine pollen, I mean, I'll add all those things and blend it in. And it's a fun way to get your brain going in the morning, and then you start your day. But that's kind of what led me down this path. And again, now it's kind of like a passion where I really want to continue to learn and listen to both sides. I mean, I don't think I think that's the beauty of it is that you can not everybody's right.
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Bob Linville 8:49Â
Not everybody has all the pieces of the puzzle together. But you start putting together the pieces for you that you feel great with. Because we all wake up and I'm ready to go conquer the day and everybody does that a little bit different. And so some people you know, we're all different, but that's kind of the I've never felt better. I mean, I said that when I was on bulletproof coffee, but then I realized it was a little bit stressful. Not really great on your liver doing ketosis and having that omad one meal a day program so yeah, I think keeping it simple. Get the movement going. Protect your lighting environment, eat as clean as you can. And don't stress out I mean, there's a lot of things you can get distracted by news and television and stuff that you know, I think that I pretty much have a good attitude and a positive anyhow. But I've come across people that I've shared those different things with and now they're doing some supplementation and they're feeling good.
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Bob Linville 9:49Â
So that's always I think that's the best part of it is being able to help other people and I'm not a doctor and I'm not doing anything but just hey, try this try that, and then see how the sun come back, and go, oh my God, that was awesome. Let me, you know, then they get a little bit everybody has to find their own way. Right? So that's kind of how I've gotten into it over the last six years and but I've been doing crazier stuff prior to that. I mean, as far as runnings, you know, exercising I worked in Malibu on the beach, I was down to like 190 pounds, super lean, but it wasn't sustainable to get out and run four or five, six miles every single day or go to the gym twice a day. I mean, that was kind of, so you have to find what works for you and find that balance. I think that's what I'm all about not beating myself up because I didn't go my four mile walk today, which I will do, but that type of thing. You gotta just, it's all about balance and doing the best you can.
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Kayley 10:48Â
Yeah, I definitely relate with your testimony. I was into keto and the bulletproof coffee. It helps me a lot at work. But it also made me feel very stressed out on edge, I would be more like upset with like, even though I had a boss who was a jerk at the time, it would bother me more. So like when people aren't acting right or acting like kindly towards me, I can definitely take you better now that my stress levels are reduced because I'm not going into ketosis all the time, or starting my day off in ketosis, I would start my day off, just making black coffee with butter and I would get so much mental work done because my job was very mental. I was a political consultant and lead designer at a graphic design consulting firm. And it was very stressful. And so it was a lot of mental work and the coffee, especially the bulletproof coffee, and all the adrenaline that would rush to my brain from that would help for a little while.Â
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Kayley 12:08Â
But I would yeah, I get more stressed out by lunch and I was starting to crash by the afternoon and some of it like the coding for the websites would be so mind numbing by the end of the day, just because my energy levels with like spike, and then I crash. And sometimes people attribute that to coffee in general. But I don't think that's coffee in general. I think that's when you're drinking coffee black, especially on an empty stomach. You're not putting in like the protein like whether you're doing colostrum. I do collagen. I wouldn't like to do colostrum, some time. You're not adding in your cream or your sugar and that really balances that out it adds some calories to it. Which makes it really beneficial and I used to do calisthenics for an hour a day. And then I dropped down to about 78 pounds. I used to be very underweight very easily becoming a mom and getting married, my weight leveled out and I wasn't ever able to dip that low again but I was vegan at the time, and yeah doing so much working out that I crashed and I got adrenal fatigue so that's how I got into health was probably starting out like into working out veganism and then realizing that wasn't serving me.Â
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Kayley 13:35Â
And I know some people feel great on that and maybe 10 years later they'll crash but for me, it took me about three months to crash from that completely being diagnosed with chronic fatigue, and then I really got into alternative health and like the rabbit hole of the keto diet, paleo. I didn't know what the difference between them at first but I knew they were all saying sugars bad. And so I didn't eat any refined sugar, maybe some, and pastries on a rare occasion like I never put like sugar in my coffee. I always look for sugar alternatives when I was personally baking something. So yeah, then I found out about basically like metabolic health and I feel like it was set free from that. And I helped some other people like I had a friend who is sick from a sugar free fast. And I told her just eat cookies and she was pregnant and her sickness went away like being nauseous all the time.
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Kayley 14:39Â
So this type of kind of biohacking wellness. That may be a little bit like controversial because we know a lot of wellness advocates, like totally demonize sugar, but it's been a really awesome and inspiring journey. Seeing some people totally just, they're feeling so so well they might not be like the most lean and fed. I know I've definitely gotten like some insulation you know, I'm not cold all the time and it's good to have some body fat even though it can be demonized, but I think having some body fat of course is wellness and it may not be sometimes people go all over the top and go into like what's the fat activist where they say you can be 500 pounds and be healthy? I'm not saying that but everyone should have some insulation that's where our fat soluble vitamins store and you know all that good stuff. Can you tell me more about speaking of stress and stress reduction and wellness? What is your protocol and recommendations for stress and wellness?
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Bob Linville 16:08Â
Okay, well, I think that foundational things that to reduce stress, I mean, if you're sleeping well, that's a key factor for like everything that you're doing. So I think that that's one of the foundational things that I've been focused on since, you know, pretty much day one. You know, things that you do prior to sleep, getting the red glasses on and before nighttime watching the TV trying to see the TV or if I'm watching TV, I don't watch really that much TV, but I'm just saying that in general, that gets your melatonin going to be able to sleep really well. But you know, I think that the people that you hang out with and the things that you listen to or watch your circle of friends, I mean, that could be stressful. I mean, I get on social media here and there, and I see some stories and no one okay, I'm gonna inquire and then I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, X. Because that you start to kind of get in a different mode of, do I really want to take this in and absorb it.Â
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Bob Linville 17:16Â
But back to sleep, I think that is one of the, you know, getting a good night's sleep or waking up fresh in the morning, it can be a huge distress when you're able to, you know, last night, both me and my wife were off. So we had a nice day where we're able to, we went on our walk in the afternoon, she's like, can you turn the sauna or we both hit the sauna, and then I want the bath at night. So we got the magnesium, the revival bath going and she loves that and loves the smell of it. So we were able to do that. And then you know, we take her nighttime supplements, we get to bed at a good hour. And this morning, you know, she didn't sleep to well, kind of had a little insomnia and whatnot going on for a while, but she's sleeping that much better now.Â
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Bob Linville 18:13Â
And she woke up somewhere. So I feel great, feel refreshed. So you know, just taking time for yourself. I think it's super important self care, we rush rush rush, she's like a total go, go go go go work, work work. So to get her to slow down. And you know, I go in the sauna five days a week. But to get her in there. It's rare, you know, to once or twice a month. So I love it when she's like I want to go in the sauna and I want to go take a bath. So those are things that to de stress. Some people will read a book or get outside. I mean, some places you can't get outside. But over here, you can still get outside barefoot, feet on the ground, soak in the sun a little bit that read a book. Those are all things that help you to stay tapped into nature and because the world we live in now with, you know, the phones and all this stuff, the digital age, that is stressful.
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Bob Linville 19:09Â
So take that in doses and be able to balance yourself get outside. Sleep well, what you're eating, I mean, the nutrition, the supplements, all that stuff will help you be more grounded and make good decisions really because I think that's what it comes down to.Â
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Kayley 19:30Â
Yeah, it cut out for a little bit. I heard supplements. That's where I last heard. But that brought up the question what supplements do you take and why?
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Bob Linville 19:43Â
Okay, yeah, good question. I do for the day in the morning. I start off I have my Selajeet. He gets ready for carbon bonded minerals there because I think we're all mineral depleted. We don't have enough minerals from the food that we get. So we have to add the Selajeet in so I feel great with that. What else am I doing? I'm doing some vitamin C. Lately with what's going around. I've been ramping that up a little bit because I was under the weather a little bit and I've been extra vitamin C right now. Vitamin K, which is I haven't had to go to the dentist in a long time so I'm doing the vitamin K everything on the COF protocol is what I kind of follow. I've been feeling great with that for the last three years so at nighttime the magnesium at night been doing some probiotics and for digestive get a little bit of bloating here and there.
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Bob Linville 20:48Â
So I've been trying to work on that figure that out a little bit more but trying to think during the morning, what else take the beef liver and some oyster desiccated capsules to get what else there's a couple more things, but my wife, she's on the same thing a little bit less than what I take, my wife's cousin who lives with us, she's recently asked, so I've been kind of she feels great energy. So it's really cool when you try this out and you give them some supplements and they try it and they get a little more energized. And I just think it's supplements or, you know, I've kind of dabbled with taking different supplements in the past and nothing at all. I think you kind of cycled through them. Some of them were you stopped them for a while and then I don't feel as good. Let me get back on and then you know, but I think that it's just trying to gain the word balance so I love that word, trying to find the right happy balance where you're not taking like hundreds of capsules, but you're taking some just to kind of really provide your body with things that you don't get from food and to help you thrive and yeah, I think that's kind of where what I've been doing lately.Â
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Kayley 22:04Â
Yeah, they can be really fun to experiment with. And that's what I like about the biohacking approach is experimenting with what works for you and trying, whether it's natural, like herbal remedies, or safe synthetics like methylene blue, and I remember seeing you making those methylene blue Coca Cola gummies one time, gotta try those some time. Need to stock up on her methylene blue especially for the winter months because it's such a good antiviral, but we have this and we drink this and I always feel so good when I have some of the kind with a real cane sugar.Â
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Bob Linville 23:01Â
Yeah, I got that.
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Bob Linville 23:06Â
My methylene blue here. I was gonna have a blue tongue earlier and I'm like, I think it'd be alright. I don't want to get too crazy. Here's my first podcast. I don't want to people go what the heck, he's got yellow glasses and blue tongue. Right? So but I forgot to mention this vitamin E. I think that is the suppressed vitamin. Nobody talks about it. You go to the stores and it's on like the bottom shelf. My dad, three, two and a half years ago his head was full of lipo fuson he has his own little IG page that I have grandpa on the CLF but his head looked like a pepperoni pizza with everything on it. It was totally loaded up. So I started giving him vitamin E, a couple capsules of 2000 I use he was taking it every day he was starting to eat some really good foods that hooked up two eggs, buttermilk. And within a year's time, you should see his head now. Not like mine is perfect, but it's like everything went away all the age spots went away and I attribute that to vitamin E is something too. Obviously, it's good for your cardiovascular system. There's a bunch of benefits but for life of Houston specifically, my hands used to have a lot of dots all over them. Now I still got a few but that's another one of the things I forgot to mention that I take on the daily vitamin E for sure. So good to have that.
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Kayley 24:35Â
Yeah, I'm glad that has map from Mito life for our listeners. I'm glad he's made them the capsules smaller because I couldn't take them. It would hurt my stomach. But what I would do because I had a few bottles of it. I would puncture a hole in it and mix it with my magnesium lotion and rub it on my belly when I was pregnant, and I got a lot of round ligament pain, you know, belly stretching pain from the pregnancy, I got so much of that when I was first pregnant, and I would eat some dark chocolate and it would go away, or any kind of cramping. But for my second pregnancy, I had zero round ligament pain because I would put magnesium lotion on my belly every day. And I think that was my way of supplementing. I like a multifaceted approach to supplementing magnesium because there's so many different types of magnesium that I think it's good to take all the forms.
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Kayley 25:49Â
So I was getting magnesium chloride through the lotion, and then I was taking drops in my water. And I noticed on the days that if I went like three days without taking my magnesium, I would get leg cramps. But like I would immediately put on my magnesium lotion, and it would go away the leg cramps, and I wouldn't get them for two to three days. So I noticed when I was doing the lotion, I was basically getting my, like supplemental dose. So that was really interesting. And magnesium is really important. And one of the things that most people are deficient in what have you been doing for magnesium. And what do you think about it? How has it helped you?
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Bob Linville 26:38Â
Yeah, it's huge magnesium, it's something that what 42% of all our enzymatic processes require magnesium. That's a whole heck of a lot. So started off, we use the capsules at night, but I make my own bicarbonate. I've been doing that for three, four years, I'll add a little bit to the water throughout the day. So my wife takes her big water bottle and I always dunk a little bit and get a cloudy, my daughter who's seven, she gets some even my dog I put it in the water for the dog too. But back to the magnesium. So the bicarbonate during the day, the capsules at night. And then the bath socks obviously that's been a great way I do have this rule. It's called ease. But that's like the spray that you were talking about that once in a while I'm at the computer, I'll spray some of my arm rub it in, but we can't get enough magnesium. And I think that when I did my full Monty's a few months back for multi tests. And my magnesium was at a really good level, I think they wanted over six and I was at a 5.6, 6 being optimum at the top of the line. I attribute that to all three of those things. Bicarbonate within the water, the capsules, and then the baths, and I'm doing probably three, four times a night doing bath soaks I think is a great way. Not everybody can do all those. But more than you can, again, you add it in and see how you feel and because yeah, I would drink too much bicarbonate, and then you kind of go alright, your body tells you that you've taken a little bit too much. But you find that balance. And I was very pleased with my results with the magnesium. I think it's all three of those things going.
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Kayley 28:27Â
Yeah, my husband gets I think he's more prone to headaches because he's just more prone to stress right now. But one thing that's important for people who are like that, who are in this extra stressful, like period in their life, like especially adjusting to two kids or anything that may be stressing them out whether that's their job or whatever it is, I would definitely say the more magnesium the better unless you're going at those doses that it becomes a laxative, obviously not going that high, but I'm taking it in a balanced way to match up to what you need. And so his headaches stopped when he started supplementing with magnesium. So that was amazing. We try even pain relievers like we usually don't like to go for the acetaminophen and they didn't even work but magnesium works so it's such a miraculous or it's miraculous in this day and age that we're able to supplement it when it is so depleted from our soil which how did that all start, the depletion of magnesium and nutrients in our soil? Do you want to say something about that and do you know like, any ways that we can try to balance that and mitigate that?
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Bob Linville 30:10Â
Okay, I mean, I think the soil quality of our soil is, I'm not a scientist, and I've kind of gone down a few of those rabbit holes, but it's not great. And so the foods that are being grown in the ground, there's not a lot of nutrients, not a lot of anything in that. So it's depleted soils. So I haven't really gone in I mean there's different guys that are NPK fertilizers and different things that kind of messed up our soil if you will, that have caused that. But I kinda like to stay on the side of I listened to perspectives, and I'll take a few notes. I don't always agree with everything they're saying, and then I kind of, alright, let's implement let's try something. You know, I think that's kind of when they talk about biohackers are different. I mean, everybody just tries to, alright, let me that's kind of what I'm always doing, right? I see something or hear about something new. And I want to try something new.Â
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Bob Linville 31:17Â
So, for instance, I did a genetic DNA tests recently and I was able to get supplementation that was catered to me based on my jeans, which is pretty amazing. And not that people might think it's a little rude, but you know, I'm prone to be overweight, I'm prone, I have got inflammation. So all these things that I'm up against, but the gut inflammation thing, like for instance, I just started adding, it's called resistance starch. I've never heard of that before am I grow resistant starch, but it helps with your gut inflammation and helps with a lot of different things. So I've been adding that into my cup of Joe like I had this morning with some of that, but you know, not to be off the channel. But in the end, we're all kinds of different and I did the DNA test to be able to, alright, let's look at this perspective. And let's get somebody that tells me that, hey, you're prone to this, it doesn't mean you're gonna have that. But these are the things I like about it is that I've got a list of a few extra new supplements like tumor X, what is it called [Inaudible 32:26], that for information that I've been starting to take, that's based for me, and that could potentially help me out.Â
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Bob Linville 32:33Â
And I think that's what everybody needs is some kind of eventually, whether it's a blood test, or a DNA test to be able to get customized based on your genes. And then ultimately, how you feel is going to be the end, whether this worked, or this made me feel different or better. But yeah, as far as the magnesium, I agree that like you said, it's been a game changer for my family and us for sleeping. I mean, my wife every night goes, where's the magnesium, every night, every night? It's like because she knows that works for her. And you know, as far as the foods go, I mean, I read different things about oh, this one has a lot of magnesium, like I picked up some pumpkin seeds, and it's got like iron and think it has magnesium in and all this stuff. And I'm thinking, well, how much am I really getting, you know, taking a handful of pumpkin seeds? So you're absolutely in today's world, you have to supplement magnesium and a few other things to and I've really I mean, when I go back to Selajeet that I mentioned earlier, I've never felt more I mean, the whole protocol for CLF I've never felt more grounded, more focused. I'm less to anger. I mean, I'm more patients. I mean, I'm calm. People go on, you're really relaxed. The teacher at my daughter's school. She calls me Dad Hey, Dad, she goes, you're one of the most patient parents and relaxed and mellow that I've ever seen. You don't get angry and I took that as a compliment. But yeah, it's awesome. So that's, I love feeling that way. And because I know I used to be a little bit off the cuff be a little bit more get upset easily and I don't do that anymore. I'm really good at my skin.Â
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Kayley 34:25Â
That's really interesting. You brought up supplementing with nuts. So that's something my family does too. You've probably heard of Brazil nuts. They're actually very high in selenium. So we only take one of them but they're also high in zinc too. But yeah, I like doing the Brazil nuts and the pumpkin seeds and doing a mixture of that and especially if they're salted, it can be really good for sleep for the people who wake up a lot getting the minerals before bed. Add sprinkling someone ice cream too can also really help with sleep. And yeah, speaking of sleep, we also do red light therapy just like you're doing, we do red light therapy before bed as our like sleep hygiene routine. And it really helps us and it gets us ready for the night. Especially to help offset the blue light of the screens. But we tend to do our blue light blocker on our phone that's like built in. And yeah, that's some of the things we do. Do you have a specific red light therapy company you like to go through? And do you have any like codes for that that you'd like to share?
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Bob Linville 35:54Â
Oh, thank you for that. I live [Inaudible]. [Inaudible] and my name Bob Linville. Saves you 10% At [Inaudible].com I believe it is. So I've got the big panel, the overclocked panel just picked up a small little panel, have the thing over my computer, I had the beacon light that I lent to my brother because he had a bad back he had some back surgery. So he know his wife's using it. So cuz she has a bad back. So I'm like because I was asked him, Hey, you're gonna give that back to me soon. He goes, I'm still using. Okay, so, but I like [Inaudible] for the red light. I've had other brands before. But I love the transparency of Andrew gamble read. He's got many different tests. I mean, he tests everything. He's a super smart guy, very transparent. I love that in a company that they're not going to hide. Here's my panel, and here's what it delivers.
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Bob Linville 36:52Â
So I trust that company very much. And the quality is really good. So yeah, red light. I use I mean, I turned mine on at night, my daughter usually turns it on, it added to the Christmas lights in the house this year when they come in through the window. But yeah, she loves to put it on, it's kind of it becomes a part of the program, you get it on and you get relaxed and it's good light too especially if show grabs like a phone or something to be looking at. And we keep it on the low settings and we had the iris in there as well. But getting the red light just kind of again helps the overall circadian rhythm so your you know, cuz you're looking at a bright light in the middle of the night you know, you're gonna wake up and your body thinks it's in mid noon when it's the middle of the night.
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Bob Linville 37:39Â
So it's important to do that. So yes, sleep is something that I guess I've kind of found something that I mean I take my mouse shirt, I've been doing that for three four years because that little ring on our finger that called the aura ring to get measures everything so I saw you know just little things like when I started taking magnesium that deep sleep would go up, molecular hydrogen at one point I was using a deep sleep on that so you just keep trying to level it up. And now taping helps me to get force I learned how to breathe in my nose because my nose was at something that I probably do really good during the day you kind of keep my mouth shut more breathe through my nose. You know when I go walking through the neighborhood to put some water in my mouth or even a piece of gum I won't chew the gum but I'll just kind of keep my mouth shut I think that's important but everything from a weighted blanket we've used before I haven't tried to lift my bed up at an angle, we have magnetic mattress pad we have blackout curtains, temperature low all the things that you can do to you know I've even slept in all silver clothing before just to kind of I did that for a couple of weeks on end to see might in the sleep actually improve so there is something to you know, you just keep trying different things and see what you can do every day that not going to be too crazy where I'm hanging off the ceiling or anything else you know, I mean, I think that you got to try to keep it where but we have a program at home pretty much stuff.
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Kayley 39:12Â
Cool, I based on what you were saying about the weighted blanket I was reading today about there's this product I saw called Dreamland waited like swaddle blankets or they can be sleep sacks for other babies who can't be swaddled anymore, but study they did clinical trials and so they're not like weighted blankets, where it's like loose but it's like a swaddle sack that you have to zip up beyond the clinical trials show that children slept better so I want to try one of them because there's good nights and bad nights with our one month old so anything to help biohack sleep is awesome because you're right, sleep is so foundational and it can make a big difference in my day. What if I can take a nap if I didn't get enough sleep the night before? I'm like, I just feel so much refreshed if I get good sleep so yeah, that's truly foundational.Â
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Kayley 40:12Â
And for red light, we do therapy, but I totally think that there is benefits to do different types of lights for the gamba red you can put them wherever it stands up and it doesn't get too hot and it doesn't use as much energy. But with the infrared bulbs though, the ones that get hot that he also has its own benefit, but it uses more energy so I think it's good to use like a little bit of both. And depending on the situation like if you're working like at your computer desk or office the gamba read would be better but if you want to have a little sweat like what we like to do at the end of the day kind of struck sweat the stress out, sweat the toxins out, we like to do the terrible and sometimes we want to put it in like a small enclosed space like our bathroom and make it into a sauna. So we have the therapists job and I have a co to mine is Nouveau Elan and so that's good for our people who are listening who want to do the red light options I'm glad we can offer them codes for them to try for a little discount so how long have you been doing red light therapy for?
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Bob Linville 41:43Â
Actually, 2017 is when I picked up a Juve light at the Bulletproof Conference I actually got reel then, they reeled me in and they had a discount it was super expensive, but it was cheaper at the conference. And you know over time, I got to kind of see how the Juve light as far as their irradiance levels and how they advertise you know, one thing and it's different whatever but I'm not here to talk bad about anybody but I didn't have that light for four and a half five years recently got rid of it and I've got my gamma red overclocked panel which is similar a little bit bigger but been known for five years and I'd say that I mean, the ATP the energy standing in front of it. I mean, I get aches and pains like I got my shoulder pain going right now from because I've got a new pillow it's called pillow cube that's like a kind of aligns your spine better and trying different things because I sleep and then it does my shoulder on one side. I'm a side sleeper because I can sleep on my back a little bit better now that I take my mouth shut. I can breathe through my nose but before because I was a mouth breather. I wasn't sleeping that well.Â
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Bob Linville 43:05Â
But now the five years with the red light it's not like it's addictive but it's just makes you feel relaxed. You get in front of it. I mean I'm in front of it every day pretty much yeah, so and I there's a ton of benefits, ton of studies and different things. And sometimes I don't go I'll just dabble in the rabbit hole a little bit. But in the end, I just know I feel better when I get in front of the red light and intuitively. But yeah, it does help out with circulation. I had at 14 I don't know I'm talking about this publicly but I had Ed which started eating better I got in front of the red light now. And you know, like I said, I feel like I'm 18 and I have a lot of energy and yeah, so I'm a big fan of red light and specifically, I love jumbo red makes great products. There's other companies that make great products too. So find something that works for you. Ask questions and go with your gut on when you're if you're ready to start off with something small. Something like this. This is a little small one I put over my shoulder, it's goes low EMF, no noise, no fans, and you can just put it right on there and I can work on the computer and go 10, 15 minutes right on my shoulder and I'm already starting to feel a little bit better. I've been using it for the last week.
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Kayley 43:24Â
So we've talked red light therapy for stress reduction and I guess we call it sleep hygiene. We've talked about supplementing, especially with magnesium. My protocol and my thing least protocol personally is usually a stress relief tea. We like to go with something like honey lavender or something we've been like so addicted to lately has been just simply chamomile tea with raw milk and honey. It tastes like I can't even describe it's just the like most buttery is sweetest just warming milky drink. Sometimes I make my own teas you might be able to see up there I make those for insomnia I have a deeper sleep blend. That's for like a stronger insomnia and one I recommend for like pregnant women because it doesn't have mugwort in it. Mugwort is an herb that helps induce vivid dreams but it can also be dangerous in high doses for pregnant women.
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Kayley 45:58Â
I also have an anxiety, it eases anxiety and that has passionflower and yeah, I also have an aphrodisiac which is a mild sedative and my tea blends just tastes so good and we feel so good when I drink them. And I feel amazing. I love working with herbs and stuff like that and customizing blends that will help people with a problem I sell those on my shop. And something else that we do for stress relief in sleep is bathing rituals. That's huge for us. We like to do as tech secret bentonite clay. Bentonite clay is really detoxifying and purifying to the body. And it's just something that we just put like a tablespoon of in our bath and I have felt it literally make my body pulsate when I put it in the bath and I tend to sweat extra so it's really amazing and detoxifying. Something else we like to do is bathing evolved bath soak when my husband first try that he got the best sleep he's had in his entire life. And that's like something he noticed immediately the next day because like your wife deals a bit with insomnia. And something else we like to do is the bathing involves bath bomb, and those they include a lot of the supplements that we've been talking about for biohacking wellness. Like they have vitamin C and magnesium. I wanted to ask you, how did you hear about bathing evolved?
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Bob Linville 47:55Â
I think you met Blackburn, he had posted something on one of his stories. Thanks William, David for this, and I'm like, Oh, check this out. So I did, I got some and I too had the same experience because the aura ring kind of tells everyday when you're looking at it, you get your score. And I had the deep sleep just went like almost 2 hours and 10 minutes or something crazy that I haven't had a long time and it was I know one thing I did differently was get in the bath so I'd love the ingredients on there as you mentioned, I mean they have the nice cinnamon in there. I don't have the ingredient list in front of me but it's super, super incredible ingredients. I love what they're doing. I'm excited to try the bath bomb yet I haven't I was telling my wife I said we got a bunch of revivals, but I said we got to add the bomb in and do the revival together for that and I think that goes around for like 20 minutes and the CO2 portion of it but usually what I do I mean I got a big bag of salts.
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Bob Linville 49:02Â
So I'll add a little of that I'll add some sodium bicarbonate get the water nice and full. And then I add in the revival at the end that smell is in all the ingredients there. So it makes a kind of like a chemist but that's like the cherry on top when I add that into the big bath because you know we both try to fit in our bathtub together sometimes if she was in there last night and I was just taking buckets of you know it's all about but I'm a fan I love it. I think that it's mean we go to get a massage. And we spend good money and you got to do it. So if you're going to you can go anybody can get any kind of bath salts and do their thing but the ingredients, it's well worth it to treat yourself. And, you know, once or twice a week we're doing the revival in the bathwater to treat yourself or take but I think that it's definitely something that we love we just had a bunch of friends we gave Christmas presents, we put baskets and we made with the revival salts in there. So everybody's gonna, we're telling them how great it was like, oh, we want to try it alright. Merry Christmas.
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Kayley 50:16Â
I had a family member who asked for the bathing evolved bath salts too for their Christmas gift and I I got that for them. And yeah, I'm just really excited to share the love, share the bathing evolved experience. And yeah see people's health and wellness, their well being how good they feel, how deep they can sleep that just the mineral balance, they noticed, I'm just excited to see that go through the roof and just have people feel so well and so good. But yeah, it's getting to that time that it's almost been an hour. So I just wanted to just have some final thoughts. Final things that you wanted to talk about things that help you with wellness, or any thoughts on bathing evolved, you wanted to talk about in the last couple of minutes?
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Bob Linville 51:41Â
Okay, well, sounds good. I appreciate you guys having me on today. It's a pleasure talking to you. And I think that everybody's on their own journey, and they're trying different things, and they're learning and, you know, what's worked for me is getting some structure together. And, you know, I mean, there's things that I get the supplements out the night before having ready to go same thing with either a meal, I think you have to kind of get that structure in so you can be disciplined to where you're, it's making it part of your program, right? So gotta take the excuses out, you know, we go walk in tonight, it's probably gonna be raining, but we're still getting the umbrella out, we're gonna walk three miles in the neighborhood.Â
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Bob Linville 52:30Â
Anything you do in life, I think that if you get some structure behind it, you set some goals or what you want to, you know, we all have in our New Year's resolutions, right? But I think that everybody's on their own journey. And I mean, my wife at the beginning, when I started this, she thought I was nuts. You know, with red light, I brought a sauna home. And she's like, Oh, my God. But in time she started to see like, holy moly, or he's got all this energy, he feels great that I mean, I was on a different level. So she starts asking, and then I'm able to say, well, why don't, I didn't even ask her if she would try. She started asking, let me have a little of this or a little of that.
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Bob Linville 53:14Â
So you have to wait for because like, I see some people that I talked to and they go oh, my spouse doesn't want that nothing to do with it or whatever. And I could just do you take care of you. Number one, I think that's the most important message is. Find what works out for you. And you can reach out for help but focus on you, focus on your own self care, and people will start to be curious. And some are going to ask questions because they see what you're doing and how you're feeling and the results you're getting. And I don't push it on. No, I've learned I mean, I got little frustrated at the beginning because it's like my wife and I want to you know what, but you can't change everything overnight.Â
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Bob Linville 53:57Â
But now we got a lot of red lights on in the house and we're doing different things. I mean, even my dog put Selajeet in her water with a little P 73 wild oregano oil, little magnesium. And so the dogs running around with energy, we're all running around with energy and that's what life's all about having that energy to be able to get out in the world and be a better person and make a difference and be that good person in life and feel great, right? And not trying to brag or anything like that, but people will start to ask you and you know I hand out more little samples of this or that more than you know, so but health is wealth. That is the key. So I think that's my message and again, I thank you very much for having me on. I appreciate it.Â
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Kayley 54:52Â
Thank you so much for joining us. You are an awesome guest and there's so much more than we could say, I want to have you on another time some time, and maybe we could focus in a bit on CLF or biohacking for kids. I think that'd be really fun. We didn't get to get too much into that on this episode, but I'd definitely like to invite you back on for another podcast sometime. It was really fun having this conversation and I totally agree with you on just how well the CLF protocol people feel it makes me feel my family feel amazing, especially with the methylene blue Selaje to magnesium, bathing, detoxing, I'm not talking about the kind of detoxing with people with the green juice where they you know, go to the bathroom all the time, but the sweating aspect and the minerals that help us naturally detox and nourishing our liver. And what Matt's doing now in his vitamin C, the bamboo silica that that is so genius. So yeah, I love all that and am excited to have you on again as a guest. So thank you so much for your time today. And yeah, well we'll have you on again soon. Hope you have a great day Bob.
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Bob Linville 56:27Â
Take care yourself. Great talking to you. Have a great day yourself. Happy New Year.
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Episode 1 Transcription:
Kayley 0:14Â
Hi, welcome to the bathing evolved podcast. My name is Kaylee and we'll be having on the bathing of evolved CEOs and founders today. Their names are David and William will be talking about why they started this company talking a lot about bathing and other things.Â
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William 0:41Â
.......... outside of bathing.
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Kayley 0:44Â
How much time do you spend bathing a day?
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William 0:48Â
10 hours I'd say. David, how about you?Â
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David 0:52Â
I personally like 15 or maybe 16 a day.
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Kayley 0:56Â
Is it just for enjoyment? Are you testing your products?
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David 1:01Â
You know, a little bit of both.
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William 1:03Â
You just formulated a Red Bull bath bomb.
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Kayley 1:06Â
What is that?
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David 1:11Â
Well, yeah, we're experimenting with a caffeinated bath bomb. As an alternative to coffee, it's you know, it's kind of in the works. So it's hyper mineralized caffeinated has amino acids. It's quantum charged. And, yeah, we have a few things in the works at the moment.
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William 1:35Â
Bathing evolved in the Willy Wonka of bathing. Nothing is off limits, you know, whatever our imagination is with bathing is where what we try to do. So, I mean, right now we're trying to hire, we're looking for a chemist who can keep up with our research and development concepts. But basically, you know, anything goes we're really trying to transform and push bathing to the limits, you know. So that's where we came up with metta bathing. And that's one thing that we're really obsessed with, like the activity of bathing as a whole and deconstructing. And that's kind of like the next phase of bathing evolve to get meta bathing out there and get people met at bathing instead of just bathing.
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Kayley 2:30Â
What is meta bathing?
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David 2:33Â
So meta bathing is the idea that you know, people when they take a bath, they usually just focus on like the bath itself. So you think okay, I'm gonna go to bed bath and beyond or, God forbid you get lush and buy like a bath bomb. It's littered with like heavy metals and like paint from hell. But we're thinking, you know, life is a story, right? I mean, everything is a whole beginning, middle, and end. Right? So let's make the bath the beginning, middle, and end, let's make it a journey, your own little journey. So that is what meta bathing and there's meta bathing is the pre bath, the bath itself, and then the post bath. And the pre bath, for example, would be like a hydrating supplement, something that you would take to hydrate and also de stress like a sublingual GABA would be ideal. And then the bath itself, and then the post bath would be, you know, something to help you integrate the bath experience. So it's kind of in a nutshell.
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William 3:40Â
We're trying to transform at home wellness. So we don't want people to go to spa. I mean, if you have time, please do go to spas. But a lot of people don't have time. A lot of people don't want to spend a guest to go to a spa. It's crazy. So if you can deliver people at home spa experiences, you know, using their bathtub, hopefully, they have bathtubs, a lot of people don't but I mean, worst case, I guess you could take a foot soak, but utilizing the act of soaking as kind of the essential method of rejuvenating yourself, you know, a couple times a week that's really what we're trying to do.
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Kayley 4:18Â
Yeah, I notice I am much more decompressed when I have access to a bathtub. Josh and I are travelers. So we've lived in many different places in Europe before, different states in the United States. So we've had to live in different places. And some of those places a lot of those places surprisingly don't have bathtubs. We've lived in three places without bathtubs, and one of the places we are living at now does not so that's one thing we're looking in when we get our house and settled down in a few months, we are definitely, that's going to be on our radar because bathing has been a big part of my life my whole life, I think two of the things that well three because I would count being outside a lot and running, that would be one thing.Â
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Kayley 5:22Â
But two of the main things, I think that kept me healthy and prevented me from accumulating a lot of diseases that we see a lot in like children and even young adults was rebounding with the trampoline and taking baths. So if I didn't have those, I think I would have accumulated those common childhood illnesses because I ate like crap. I took, you know, those flintstone vitamins which [Cross talk 05:55] essential, and especially with how many toxins we accumulate from the environment, from our food from the soil, we just need to really sweat those out, add our supplements to our bath to integrate in our wellness.
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William 6:20Â
Well, step one for bathing, like stop bathing and shit. You know, when you look at what people are actually consuming through their skin on a daily basis, especially women. You know the guys I know, especially myself, I don't really lather myself or my skin and anything at all, you know, but women, I mean, you know, nonstop. It's daily worn on their skin, they don't really know it. And then they wonder why infertility is such a big issue or PCOS or different immunological conditions where they're not able to have basic fertility or basic cognition, day to day work, and life. It's crazy.
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Kayley 7:02Â
Yeah, lush has parabens and parabens is the one thing that came to mind. I've been iffy about parabens because like there's different studies. But now there was a big study recently that showed the actual link between breast cancer or breast cancer being caused by parabens because people were like, oh, it's correlation, not causation. But now there is a new study showing the causation. So this is being reviewed by the official Council on Endocrinology at their summit. I think it's next year or whenever their next summit is. So this is really big. And I actually contacted lush many years ago, when I started getting into wellness. And I was asking about their parabens, and they're like, well, they're natural, but natural doesn't........
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William 7:52Â
Yeah, well, they're Earth, or they're created on Earth. I mean, what does that mean, you know?
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Kayley 7:56Â
So is aluminum. So is......
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William 8:00Â
So it's nuclear waste?
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David 8:03Â
Oh, another thing I mean, just add on to that, like natural flavors and food, right? Natural flavors could be MSG. It's literally a loophole. It could be 80% MSG and 20% filler. And they can just call it natural flavors.
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William 8:21Â
Yeah, 98% of processed foods at Whole Foods has natural flavors, or some has MSG in it. And we just don't....
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David 8:29Â
And how do you escape it? It's like it's insidious. You can't really run away completely. But it's good to be aware, right? It's good that you're aware of the parabens and you're in, you know, so you can avoid them.
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Kayley 8:42Â
Yeah, hopefully, this podcast will teach people like we just told people a bit about parabens. And so hopefully we can bring up more of those ingredients that are harmful to people's health. And people can learn more about that, the more they listen to this podcast, I think that's especially since bathing is central to this podcast, just going over the different rituals and steps that are in people's personal care routine that may be impacting their health hormones, fertility, etc.
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William 9:18Â
And that's what gets me when a person like online comments on luscious bath on like, oh, its so relaxing and colorful. Dude, the thing that was relaxing about a Lush bath bomb was the fact that you're like literally pumping yourself with ounces and ounces. Pumping your endocrine system with ounces of literal shit. And your body is just like tuning down its energy levels and you think that's relaxation. It's like, you know, it's bad. It's really bad. And if anybody from blush is looking for a job as a canvas, painting evolved, if you want a job, good for the world, if you want to create amazing experiences, contact [Inaudible 09:59] know where that recruiting phase.
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Kayley 10:05Â
The creativity of lush if they can just direct that energy towards something that doesn't have, you know? Then artificial colors and all that junk.Â
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William 10:19Â
Oh yeah.
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David 10:23Â
It's kind of like Hershey's, you know, they recently came out with a certified organic chocolate.
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Kayley 10:28Â
We went to the Hershey's factory when we were visiting Pennsylvania. And I got a organic Reese's and I hadn't eaten Reese's in years because I started getting reactions to Reese's, the top of my mouth [Inaudible 10:43]. And I had to stop consuming things with corn syrup because I was diagnosed with interstitial cystitis, which is basically chronic bladder inflammation when I was 19 years old, and that was from drinking a lot of corn syrup drinks like soda. I was drinking like 40 ounces a day and lots of coffee.Â
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William 11:08Â
Did you get your soda from 7/11?Â
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Kayley 11:12Â
Yeah. Well, for a while I was going to........
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Kayley 11:29Â
Yeah, yeah, I kind of have corn syrup for a long time. And I still do I maybe have like a corn syrup soda. Like once a year. I like soda only with real cane sugar......
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William 11:43Â
Well, you know, corn syrup is illegal in Canada. It's crazy. It's illegal. It's literally illegal. I'm not even kidding you. Like, yeah, it's illegal in all these places. Like they actually, you know, I don't want to say they care about the population there but they're not maliciously trying to destroy you from inside out. It's crazy, you know?
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Kayley 12:05Â
But yeah, and it comes from GMO corn. I'm sure that corn syrup from non GMO from organic corn is not the worst, but it still has a lot of fructose that it's really hard for our liver to process. So unless you're gonna go like run a marathon or something in your liver can burn.
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David 12:29Â
Or you can have 40 bananas a day. Do you know DurianRider? Durianrider he's a popular fruitarian but he promotes like eating a lot of carbs and like...... Yeah, he's really intense.
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Kayley 12:49Â
You can make it as a vegan or fruitarian if you're just like, bloating because otherwise, I remember like the protein I'd eat from veganism, it did nothing for me and I can really absorb it and your body can to an extent make protein from carbs. So I could see carb loading being the better way to do veganism. But yeah, I can't imagine what your livers gonna be like after years and years of carb loading.
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David 13:22Â
Oh, yeah.Â
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William 13:22Â
Your liver just turns into wood.Â
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David 13:27Â
Will and I actually we used to be raw vegans maybe.
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William 13:30Â
Raw vegan festival in 2009.Â
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David 13:34Â
Oh, yeah. I mean, we were like we were very, we actually gonna tell you about Matt Blackburn because, at the time, he was working at a raw vegan restaurant. And, you know, this was in San Diego at the time, and we.....
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William 13:50Â
No, specifically, what was that Senator called again?
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David 13:56Â
Liberty station.Â
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William 13:57Â
Liberty station. Yeah, here's we're gonna ask Ron vegan restaurant.
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David 14:00Â
It was so random. Like, okay, let's go get a raw salad. Okay, then we meet Matt and we start talking about I think Dr. Robert Kozar. Do you know him, Kaylee?
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Kayley 14:12Â
No, we don't.
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David 14:12Â
He's cool. He's like, he's pretty he's definitely I think now he's a carnivore, but he used to be like more of an energy vegan like more into eating energy, and like different frequencies.
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William 14:26Â
Different colored liquids like....
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David 14:30Â
Anywho long story short, we used to be raw vegan, we actually for a little bit were fruitarians. So we went to the 2009 ROS spirit festival.
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William 14:43Â
In Santa Barbara.
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David 14:44Â
In Santa Barbara and all the legends were there like David Wolfe, like Gabrielle cousins, all the raw vegan legends. Does anyone like a cow? Do you know how good it is for you? Goji berries anyone?Â
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William 15:09Â
Where were super Goji girl?
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David 15:12Â
Yeah, super Goji girl. But anyways, I guess the moral of the story was, we would walk. I mean, we were like really dedicated to the raw vegan movement, we were like, we wouldn't cheat. We wouldn't eat cooked food, even behind closed doors. But we walked around the festival, we would notice, like maybe 3 out of 10 people had teeth issues, three out of 10, like, maybe one out of 10 were toothless, like straight up like missing teeth. And, you know, at the time, I was having teeth issues as well, because I drank a lot of citrus and it took all my enamel. But that was kind of like the first wake up call.Â
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Kayley 15:54Â
Are you also one of those people who didn't really believe in like, using, like standard dental hygiene, like I see that a lot in the more alternative health community like, oh, you don't need toothpaste or even the brush team. And I mean, they have a point that in the weston price studies or indigenous tribes don't do western dental hygiene, but they're also eating completely local. So there is an impact on our dental health by eating processed foods or eating even internationally. It's really interesting. But that impacted your dental health too?
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David 16:47Â
I mean, definitely, like, I mean, dental wise I think for me, I mean, I still brush my teeth every day. I know like a lot of maybe some people in that world were like, oh, forget, you don't even need to do that. Just you know, eat an apple, the apple fiber will clean your teeth. There's certain things like fruit and vegetable fiber will clean your teeth. Like you don't have to brush, you can just have a piece of celery or used celery [Inaudible 17:20] but I didn't brush.
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William 17:21Â
Hey, I got this big meeting. Give me some celery. Give me a celery stalk. This guy's like whole period like scraping his team and seller. [Loughing]
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David 18:03Â
But you know, like, I did, I just switched to like a healthier toothpaste. You know, like put all the garbage and fluoride and all that. But now that I think of it, I should try the celery method and ditched by toothbrushes.
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William 18:22Â
Being a raw vegan was such a nightmare socially. There was like one raw vegan restaurant left after the raw vegan economic collapse. Nobody wanted to eat it. So there was only one restaurant left in San Diego County. It was this restaurant. I think it's still there. It's called the what's it called, David? It's [Inaudible 18:38] restaurant. It's an Encinitas. I don't want to say stupid. They're cool, guys. Remember that one, we would always drive up like 30 miles away from Ohaya. But they had like these like raw vegan like burgers. Like they're like, Yeah, tastes exactly like McDonald's classic hamburger. Like we're eating this, like depressed in this corner and it started to rain. And I'm like, Man, this sucks. And our stomachs were still [Inaudible 19:09] you know, like, we still had like, I had horrible digestion issues from like, eating raw vegans it's crazy, like, so. I'm gonna teach her.......
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David 19:28Â
Yeah, I mean, you know, this podcast is about bathing, let's talk about the bathing skin benefits. And then also the microbiome skin benefits, right? Because I've been really looking into the microbiome, gut microbiome and you know, raw vegetables and fruits do play a major role in that. So I want to get your thoughts on that. Kaylee, what's your take on like the gut microbiome? Have you looked into that lately?
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Kayley 20:01Â
Yeah, I remember for school, I had to read 20 page paper about how we are technically super bacteria because we're just composed of a lot of bacteria. Oh, I think that's like the conclusion that Joe Rogan came to. He said when he was on DMT, I completely agree that because we're comprised of bacteria that makes us bacteria. But that just shows the point of how impactful our bacteria is, I think I heard from Well that every two weeks, our bacteria is circulated or renewed, so we can really reverse our body and symptoms and how it's feeling or for the worse, and especially in a matter of two weeks. I think one thing I wanted to bring up about the microbiome is, there is a probiotic [Inaudible 21:15] have you heard of that?Â
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William 21:15Â
No.Â
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Kayley 21:18Â
It's something that most of us are missing, I think 90%, at least are deficient in or don't have it at all. And everyone in the 1950s had that. So and we're seeing diseases, the 1950s rise. And that's a lot of factors and we know that the seed oils and the pesticides that literally kill off our bacteria, because they're killing off the life of the bugs and the life of the plants, so, therefore, our bacteria. So that's having a major impact on our health. And I just wanted to hear what you thought about the microbiome and bathing specifically with eating......
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William 22:08Â
Our session would be to figure out how to make a bath bomb that replenish skin micro flora, that would be amazing. Because that was even possible. I don't even know if it could, I know, there's different traces or different strands of bacteria that are resistant to heat. David and I were doing a lot of research on that. But if you can make a skin of flora, replenishing bath bomb, or a bath soda that would be fantastic for so many people that suffer from chronic skin issues.
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Kayley 22:41Â
You know, that's spore based bacteria is heat resistant, so it doesn't be refrigerated and it also has a 99% absorption rate.Â
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David 22:56Â
It's crazy how complex like the skin microbiome is, you know like we have a gut microbiome, we actually have the brain microbiome, I think the heart has a microbiome. But the skin actually different parts of the skin have different bacteria. So for example, like the drier parts of your skin, like your arms and legs have a certain type of bacteria and like other areas that aren't too visible, you know what I mean? Have different bacteria. So it's complex, it's hard to do a one size fits all approach. So yeah, that's fascinating, the spore based bacteria.
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Kayley 23:45Â
I think it comes from fungi. And we're learning a lot about how important fungi is to our health and certain types are good for immunity. Certain types are good for cerebral function. So that's complex too. And when I had the L routeri it came in chewable tablets, so that didn't have to be refrigerated either. So that might be something go on the skin. I know Pacifica they are a skincare brand I really like their vegan cruelty free, not that vegans like one of the things that has to you know that I need because I also like animal like beef tallow skincare, but I do like cruelty free not testing on animals, and their products just smell really good too. And they're healthy and they have a probiotic facewash so maybe finding out what kind of strains they use because you know, that works on the skin, or maybe it doesn't, because not every product that just cuts on launches a product line doesn't mean exactly that it works. So you're in the testing and trial stage for a lot of the new products that are launching. So that'll be really fun to not just get past that experimenting with gasoline in the bathtub stage.
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William 25:33Â
Our family is in the gas business, so we have access to the gas.Â
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Kayley 25:38Â
Oh, wow.
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William 25:40Â
Yeah, we actually grew up in the retail gasoline fueling business and repair shops. Actually, we just installed hydrogen fuel in each one. So that's been really interesting. So it's like, it's pretty cool. Hydrogen fuel is kind of an interesting alternative source because it mimics like, the retail distribution of gasoline. So, but I don't know, I think a lot of these scam too because the military would use these alternative sources. They're not reliable. You know?
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David 26:23Â
Well, yeah, California, I think Gavin Newsom or somebody set the goal by 2035. They want to end the production of gas vehicles. Scary, right? Okay, we're going to be all electric.
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Kayley 26:43Â
And they control the power grid. So that's pretty sketchy.Â
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William 26:47Â
You know, there was this one Tesla in a during a heatwave in Texas, that was telling the owner to not use the car because it's not the optimal hours to use it. So that's a little preview for 2028 or whatever.
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David 27:02Â
The car was telling the guy not to drive?
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William 27:03Â
The car was like, this is not optimal time to drive. Like you can't use it. Like what the fuck, you just pretty much kind of use this car because it wasn't an optimal time to use the car. So they're probably testing that on people to see if they really get angry about it. Because if they're not going to be angry now they're not going to be angry six years from now. That's probably the future we have to brace for.
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Kayley 27:33Â
That's true. Back to the bathing in or testing with gasoline. Because you guys mentioned that earlier. Was that testing for a bathing evolved product?
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David 27:49Â
Well, it's gonna be hard to get that one approved. The first world's first gasoline bath bomb. But you know what scary? Okay, okay, here's actually this was a thought experiment that really inspired us to put the amino acids in the bath salts. Would you bathe in a tub with gasoline? Like maybe a tablespoon.
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Kayley 28:14Â
Yeah, I probably wouldn't be too scared of a tablespoon. It would be why is there a tablespoon but go on.
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David 28:28Â
But isn't, it's a scary thought. Right? Because we know that it's gonna get into us somehow. Right? We think like okay, I'm in a bathtub with gasoline. And we figured okay. It goes the other way too.
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William 28:41Â
Yeah, modern science kind of teaches those that our suit or skin is like a rubber suit. [Inaudible 28:49] anything in its path. Yeah, that's like the dermal like theory, right? But they only give you that theory because they don't want to confront the fact that so many products out there are getting in to our lymphatic systems, our body through our skin. Our skin has billions and billions of like, mouths that are breathing the stiff in and out every day. That's why the most dangerous the most torturous form of killing someone is tar and feather. I mean, it's the worst. Because it's like they're drowning a billion times versus just once. You know what I mean?Â
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William 29:24Â
So your skin is a living thing that soaks up, whatever you put them up, you know, so that really was the motivation and plus I mean, you look at transdermal nutrition, you know, there's a lot of products out there that are doing such a great job. So like maybe good quality nicotine patches or you know, B vitamin patches, whatever it is, your skin is a source for applicable in nutrition.
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Kayley 29:56Â
Yeah, I get more frightened by accumulation. Sometimes I feel like the dermatological world has kind of a leaf, brainwash people into thinking, Oh, your skin is not absorbing anything. And it's super, it's like such a good layer. And, you know, toxins can't really get penetrated in there. I've heard dermatologists say this. And they say that people who are scared of certain chemicals are just they are like you just don't understand how good your skin is, and how protective of a layer it is. And that kind of goes to show that the mainstream is really getting into our heads. And we're not really realizing how impactful everyday products can be. I have always been more like, okay, one time exposure, you know, that can even be very harmful though because there's people [Inaudible 31:19] one time event that was really big, like, let's say, an explosion or a house fire, and they have lifelong effects from breathing in that smoke. And but a lot of what we're facing today is more accumulation from doing the same thing every day and small culture.
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William 31:42Â
Well, it reminds me the story from Monsanto, there's this document anti Monsanto documentary where a guy is sitting down to their cheap lawyer. And he's sitting with a cup of Monsanto round up. And then he's like, the lawyer is telling him. Oh, it's 100% safe. It's 100% safe. And the guy's like if I paid you $1,000 right now, would you drink it? Oh, this is 100% safe. He's like, are you fucking crazy? Do you think of stupid? That's exactly what it is. Like this is just lip service. Like when cosmetic companies are saying your skin is completely impenetrable from like, deeper exposure to these things, when in fact, we do know that the average woman in just what like 200 pounds of makeup throughout their lifetime that passes through them. It's crazy.
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David 32:27Â
You know what it is? It's death by 1000 cuts, right? 1000 little cuts. And then what's scary is there's like actually ancient Taoist wise saying that, you know, a drop of water persistently dropped on rock will put a hole in the stone, like, water drops can penetrate stone and break it. So scary like the little micro doses round up that just keep adding up.
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Kayley 32:55Â
Yeah, I get worried with seeing all the pesticide residue in my neighborhood, they spray just about every week and you see all these like blue or yellow spots, whatever color the pesticide is that week. And it makes me not really want to walk around in that part of my neighborhood. And it sucks in Arizona that it's really a lot of development. There's not much nature. Like I can't go forest bathing and to breathe in like the fresh air. So yeah, Arizona has got some work to do. But it is rated the number one most polluted, it was a few years ago 2015. I don't know if it changed, but it was the number one most polluted. Phoenix was number one in the United States. And so that was one reason we moved. Tell me how can we get more oxygen and oxygen utilization from bathing evolved products?
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William 34:07Â
Well, David, talk about the great conversation you had with Matt. It wasn't a month ago. You guys were at sushi in San Diego. And you guys have cool brainstorm.
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David 34:17Â
So the key to that with bathing is actually absorbing CO2. And, you know, we have been anti citric acid from day one. But here's the thing, when you take citric acid, which might not be ideal, but when you mix it with baking soda, it turns into a third thing. And you throw that in water and you get CO2 and CO2 will literally flood your bloodstream with oxygen. And I mean if you look up the benefits of CO2 bathing. For example, people with diabetic feet where their feet are literally rotting off, they were able to foot soaks, like regenerate pretty quickly within a few like I think a few months, they're able to like rebuild their feet. And yeah, CO2 is a game changer in bathing. Where we want to go with bathing involved is next the CO2 element with the mineralizing because a lot of Bath Bombs can't pull the minerals, I mean, it's just hard to incorporate a dense in mineral dose. So we're thinking the one two punches a mineralized bath powder with the CO2 bath bomb after that to really get the completed spirits.
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William 35:49Â
Because Kayley, there's never been no one's ever advocated for first soaking in, let's say a magnesium heavy mineral bath. No one's ever really mixed the CO2 to that it's always one. There are two different ways of thinking about bathing, there's the CO2 approach and using those products are completely Alien to like the hyper mineralized bath, like they're never combined. The only place you ever find those things combined isn't an actual mineralized hot like spring, where you have all the minerals, you have all the carbonation, it's like the perfect combination. But no one's ever done that at home, a ........... actually consciously like putting a very highly dense mineral solution in their bath and doing a CO2, you know, bath bomb or whatever after it but I've never seen it. We've never seen it.
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David 36:43Â
That's the genius of nature, right? So there's the natural CO2 carbonation in spring plus the minerals. But the CO2 is actually how that diabetic foot healed was the increase in circulation. And you combine both worlds, right? You get like the dense magnesium, dead sea salts minerals, and all the other stuff in our formula plus the CO2 to increase the surface, skin circulation. I think it's the best of all worlds.
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William 37:15Â
But once you say the carbonation is activating these minerals, I mean, it's turning it into an ionic form.
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David 37:21Â
That's what's interesting, you know, like magnesium bicarbonate Kayley familiar with that, like you can make your own magnesium.
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Kayley 37:28Â
Yeah, I hear it's the most readily absorbed magnesium.
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David 37:34Â
Yeah, it's interesting. So we're thinking, mixing co2 in a bath with a bunch of minerals, I think should have a powerful effect.
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William 37:46Â
Extremely powerful thing, it has to. I mix it with gasoline again.
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David 37:52Â
Yeah, no gasoline.
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Kayley 37:54Â
No gasoline, not even one time.
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Not even one drop at all.Â
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Kayley 38:00Â
Yeah, whatever can imitate a hot spring is wow, that's just magical. One of the best experiences I've had was just driving through the Rocky Mountains. And there was a hot spring that was just 8th of a mile hike off the road. And it was relatively small, like the size of a big hot tub. And it had mud. So I was putting mud on my face and just like that's natural spa experience. And yeah, if I could bring that into my own home when I have my house with the bathtub. Oh, that'd be just so wonderful magical.
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William 38:47Â
If that's ........ was doing that last month. He found a spring too but some creepy ranger was staring at him in the corner.
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David 38:55Â
Yeah, I mean, that's comes with the territory, right? Like the rangers or the gatekeepers to the natural world. So creepy. Yeah, I didn't really feel like bathing in front of a creepy Ranger. So I just got in my car and left.
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Kayley 39:11Â
.........how the national park system is like, limiting what we can do. And in some good ways, but in also some bad ways. Like they have all this land that can be used for yeah, I get it not wanting like big urban development, right? But not even having like a little small town or something there because you can go over an hour or two hours in Arizona without seeing a single restroom. And I've had a really hard time on those roads before just waiting for the next town that's hours away. And then Utah it's four hours without any gas stations. So it's with that just creepy Ranger just reminded us of like oh the National Park System is that really 100% necessary?
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David 40:22Â
Imagine that like guarded all the restaurants too and like you know on the road.
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William 40:31Â
Like crammed a grizzly bear.[Cross talk 10:33] So taxpayer money should be spent dammit cramming grizzly bears in every woman's bathroom.
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David 40:45Â
Cramming grizzly bears in the national springs.
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Kayley 40:49Â
.......... Rangers. Speaking out Josh, I wanted to bring up that he was bathing evolves first customer.Â
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William 41:00Â
Yeah, I know.
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David 41:04Â
He was customer number one. And it was, you know.
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William 41:12Â
And he is the best piece of content ever produced for bathing. Well, that includes the commercials that we spent a ton of money doing when Josh went to the bed bath, and beyond. And I think he just flipped off a bunch of bath bombs or something was like, yeah, Josh is gonna work with me one day like that's my goal more than like anything else to work with them. So it was awesome.Â
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Kayley 41:44Â
So real. He's so blunt. And just telling people how it is. And for anyone listening who doesn't know Josh is my husband. And we found bathing evolved from Matt Blackburn. And we are so passionate about bathing. Because when Josh or anyone sick, or like when I'm giving birth, bathing is our go to. So just baths are so relaxing.
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William 42:18Â
And we should make a birth bomb. That'll be badass. Birth bomb. We're gonna have Kaylee formulate that everyone.
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Kayley 42:26Â
..... herbs with like healing earth that will heal the skin....
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William 42:34Â
Whoa. But the actual birth bomb while you're giving birth and just throw it into the water. And the baby's coughing it's like.....
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Kayley 42:46Â
And yeah, it makes it a little a few seconds to like start breathing and stuff after. So it wouldn't catch your swallow any of that. That was something I was scared about with waterbirth like, are they gonna like choke on water? No, they take a few minutes or not minutes, a few seconds to like.
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William 43:09Â
Because there's so connected to the umbilical cord. They're still breathing through that. Like a scuba suit.
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Kayley 43:18Â
It does the job of the lungs.Â
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William 43:21Â
What a miracle you think about it's crazy.Â
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Kayley 43:25Â
Yeah, it does the job of the heart to it does the job of most of the organ. Organs don't have to work as hard.Â
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William 43:37Â
We're taught by TV to think of you cisgendered women as a, I don't want to go too deep into it. But basically giving birth is a miracle when you think of us. I think society can cherish a little bit more.Â
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Kayley 43:59Â
If I see anything on TV or like a movie that depicts birth in like a, like traumatic is normal way, like screaming out of my lungs high pitched like I didn't even do that when I was giving birth.
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William 44:16Â
The 1950s Dad outside smoking cigarettes like.
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Kayley 44:21Â
Yeah, no birth partner involved, it's so important for the spouse to be involved. But yeah, I will skip that.Â
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You're gonna have to leave, you're gonna have to leave.Â
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Kayley 44:38Â
That's why I won't give birth in a hospital because they're actually separating women and their birth partners due to COVID. I don't know if they're still doing that. But they were doing that in Pennsylvania when we were living there. I think if they found out someone had COVID. So I'm not 100% sure but I know in certain states it was like, I think New York even if you didn't have COVID you couldn't have a your birth partner there. So yeah, never give birth in the hospital unless it's so extreme.
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William 45:16Â
You see Josh's head outside a window just looking in like close the window.
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Kayley 45:26Â
.......... like some type of real, where it was the dad looking outside the window just watching his wife in labor, and he couldn't be there. Speaking of COVID locked down and asked about your story and the COVID locked down.....
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William 45:52Â
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David 45:58Â
I think for me, March and April, were the most bonkers, you know, like,
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Kayley 46:04Â
The toilet paper and stuff.Â
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David 46:06Â
Yeah. All that the toilet paper, the food shortages. Yeah, just the whole shell shock of it. And actually, you know, for this company, it was a blessing in disguise, because Well and I actually kind of like, got more into bathing, because we were at home so much more than usual. So we were experimenting, like, hey, well what if we mix the amino acids, magnesium, and dead sea salt, but we throw in vitamin C or thrown B vitamins? And we just kind of went crazy and just like did all these like experimental baths. And it got to a point where like, holy shit, we feel pretty damn, like invincible, we feel like we just meditated for like an hour after this bath. You know, maybe this could help people, maybe this could be a better recovery experience. And I don't know, whatever is out there. So it was like the gestation of bathing involved.
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William 47:06Â
I think COVID for me was a accumulation of how deeply powerful the media can be on people, you know. And the truth is, I think you're gonna manifest what you are internally. But if you're a deeply fearful and regretful person, you're going to attract using news as your main way of understanding the world and outside, you know, you're going to use news as your main compass for reality. And I think that's what a lot of people realized, and either had to evolve from, or they fucking died with it, you know, because there's no way around it to negative to continue after that, you have to either like, look into best, like, you have to evolve from that or just succumb to it, you know, unfortunately. So I think a lot of that whole phase, that period definitely helped me evolve to forcing myself to look at the best in people. And to realize that most of my ideas were gone going to happen with amazing people, by my side instead of like, just doing things on my own. And like, you know, having this very lone wolf mindset, which I was grown up to think like, because in Persian cultures, they're very, like, independent, and a lot of times untrusting of other people. What was that?
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Kayley 48:48Â
This sigma grind set.
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William 48:50Â
Yeah, the sigma bullshit grind set, right? But the sigma grind set that keeps you poor, keeps you like, mentally fucked. And it's like, you know, it's like, we were talking David and I were talking about, you know, this podcast and bringing you on board. Like, it's so much more fun like with you here like hosting it. Because we're like before, like, yeah, we get to do this podcast and you know grind it out and this and that, but talking to you and knowing that it's a passion of yours, listening to podcasts and talking about these things, and it's a lot more fun to have you on board and making something bigger than everybody wins with versus just like be grinding it alone like five o'clock talk to man, and six o'clock I'm gonna test the bath bombs. It's seven o'clock. It's like shit, you know, you have no life. Like, you're not really growing anything. You're just like a sigma grind set. You know, I guess you could brag to people about how hard you work. Even that gets old, you know, but my dad he's kind of like that. Like, I do everything. I did that and he likes bragging about that, but I guess, I come to realize that I don't even care about bragging about that kind of shit. Like, I don't need to brag about doing everything on my own, it's like, it's crazy.
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Kayley 50:10Â
........ I could have helped you. And then, you know, it's not good to be like helpless or like a part of healing is immaturity is accepting help and even asking for help.
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William 50:30Â
I want to say it is. A lot of like, even wealth, you know, like people that are successful, like our friend Matt like he's really become a successful person and he's not afraid of asking for help. Whereas with me like, can't let people know I need help. It's like, I've had to evolve to be okay with that, you know, it's not easy, you know, but he's always been like someone that just like, shrug the shoulders like, yeah, you guys know more than me here and there. And that allowed him to just do the best he could where he really thrives, which is creating awesome content and connecting with people digitally, which is hard for a lot of people to do. He fucking thrives at that, you know, but maybe he doesn't thrive it like programming a Shopify store, you know like he has someone for that, who's into it. But like for me, I'd be like, well, I have to figure out Shopify, and I have to do this, and I have to get my MBA, and we might have these done, then I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna, like, dude you know, but it's the sigma grind set, right? And that with bathing evolve, we're trying to like, have you shut up and soak and turn off the sigma Christ, you know, none of that it's not going to help the world like you bragging about doing shit on your own and grinding through and like, being a fucking terror for everyone at your workplace and being a bad husband being a bad father, because you're coming home angry and like, pissed off all the time. It's like come on dude.
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Kayley 51:59Â
Now I just ask for help. There's a good tech talk on the power of asking. So I would recommend that for anyone who has a hard time asking for help or for anything they need. The people I know who are the worst, like the people. And I'm not going to blame postpartum depression on just like, people who like have isolation, I can do everything myself antisocial attitude, but I've seen people who have that, and it rolled over into their motherhood, and it's just destroyed them and they haven't been able to recover because they don't value community and communication.
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William 52:39Â
No, or they don't value it until they're, like, lopsided in every way mentally, physically, spiritually, and then they over depend on community, they over depend on welfare, they over depend, because they're just like, broken down spiritually instead of having like a balance with it, you know, having a balance with like people interpersonally you know, and I think if people just like, kind of let go a little bit of their, like material possession goals, like, I want to be a millionaire one day, like, let go of that and just ask yourself, like, hey, maybe you want to hang out with people that make you feel like a million dollars or inspire you to do million dollar things. You'd be way fucking happier. Because you can have a million dollars in the bank and have the worst fucking wife, the worst kids, debtors after you like people try to kill you. It's like crazy, right? So our quality of life is really affected by the people that were around.
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Kayley 53:37Â
Yeah, bathing evolved there is a community.Â
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William 53:41Â
It is a community and it's really about collaboration. And it's about not having an ego like I would credit you with the bathing. The bathing, bath bomb. That was cool. You know? It's like, it's a community thing. It took that conversation with you. I mean, David and I aren't talking about pregnancy and birth, you know, at happy hour in San Diego. You know, we're talking about other things.
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David 54:10Â
Community is everything, you know, and it ties back to like ancient Rome, it was a communal thing, it wasn't like about like how we you know, as bathhouses today, it was about it was more of a social event. It was more of like a social club. And like people of all walks like the poorest. Even the Emperor, I guess, would make an appearance every now and then. So bathing really is about community and you know, having your own personal oasis. I think that's really the goal, what we're trying to do here, we're trying to give people the most bang for their buck on the physical, mental and spiritual level. You know, that's our mission.
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Kayley 54:57Â
I love that and I like what you said about personal oasis. And that's going to be in every bathing evolved users, own personal bathroom or bath area wherever they bathe. But also, we've talked about this before but a big idea for Josh and I, and we've talked about this with William to, was to have like, open a type of community, like not just like a spa, but there's also like, a place where people can have like, most local, organic, you know, like craft drinks, whether that's not alcoholic or alcoholic, but everything's like a healing drink. And it adds to the experience and he will mentioned float spas with the bathing evolved.
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William 55:53Â
That's giant pool, a giant pool with the bathing evolve solution, it's kind of cool.
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William 55:58Â
Exactly like a spring that's been turned into a resort like that's where they get reminds me of, I'm not saying start a resort. Of course, there can be like a few rooms that people if they want to stay for like a retreat or for a weekend or something, but just something like that, like a personal oasis in a building or on some land. So [Inaudible 55:58] is doing with his community idea, oh, let's start the Citadel. But my idea wasn't to start a new civilization but to have, I've been wanting to start a retreat center for a long time. But I'd want it not just to be for retreats, but for people to come every day and get some healthy food and just have a few like local seasonal things on the menu and just people who want to cook, just come work. And that's a big long term goal. So I wanted to ask another aspect of your story, the amino acid infused patent.
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William 57:16Â
Well, I mean, we're the first ones that created that blend, you know, so we feel that how the patent pending works is, we have 12 months to test the economic viability of it because it's a way of living leveling the playing field with bigger corporations because the actual utility patent process costs a lot of money. So basically, you're saving the idea for a year and testing it out, until you actually want to make like the decision like with $30,000, or whatever it costs to actually go and get a utility patent for it. And utility patents, usually lat or it's 18 year protection, once you get awarded that utility patent, but the price of doing a super expensive for smaller entrepreneurs. But we just wanted to have some recourse, you know, we don't want everybody to like just be able to do the same thing we're doing, right? We're gonna have some protection and some novelty to it.
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David 58:10Â
But in a nutshell, in a nutshell, we use micronized essential amino acids, and the proteins are small enough. So in biology, particles that are smaller than 500 Daltons can penetrate the skin, just so happens that amino acids when they're micronized, are smaller than 500 Dalton, so it goes through the skin. So it's actually a really simple solution to, you know, recovery problem, it's one key ingredient, where you're literally soaking in protein, and it's going into your skin and into your muscle. It's like, in a nutshell, it's that simple. But no one ever did that. So we jumped on it and wanting to protect it.
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William 58:58Â
Yeah, so hopefully we get the utility patent when we file for it next February. Fingers crossed.
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Kayley 59:05Â
I think that's a really big aspect in healing and recovery for postpartum women and women who are pregnant actually have a harder time with their muscles because some of the muscles have to weaken in order to make room for the baby. And so there's an overcompensation of other muscles, which is why some of them have hip pain. I'm one of them, but actually, a lot of them have hip pain. So I would definitely recommend bathing evolved for pregnant women postpartum and just a part of an overall wellness routine for people who are whether they're athletes or I mean everyone needs movement, everyone needs to build their muscles. So I would say it's really good for everyone but especially pregnant and postpartum women and people who are doing a little more intensive a fitness routine than just low intensity. But yeah, this is an amazing time having getting together for this podcast and I was so happy to hear your story and about your pattern and just talking about bathing and wellness. That's what we're about. We're about wellness and bathing, for me has been one of the biggest factors in wellness like whenever we're sick we add certain ingredients or our bathing evolved especially to our bath and it's a really big part. So I just wanted to thank you all for getting together and...... the wellness world more innovative people like you and you're bringing more.
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William 1:01:32Â
Great OSH appreciate Caspian
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Kayley 1:01:35Â
They love bathing evolved.
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William 1:01:40Â
It puts Caspian right to sleep
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Kayley 1:01:45Â
We've used up since halts before like by themselves but when we used eating evolve, Josh said he felt like he had the most rejuvenating sleep after that he's ever had it said that he felt like he slept for a super long time and he didn't like wake up a lot in the night so it's definitely changed his life.
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David 1:02:09Â
It's so great to hear you know what it's all about having like as we talked about, like giving everyone their own personal Oasis like you can turn your own you know bathtub into a healing center you know, without having to go to the spa and like don't yeah, like spend hundreds of dollars in the spa experience but bring it home with you.
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William 1:02:35Â
And more products to come, we're just starting just scratching the surface with you Kayley with the whole team that's coming on board for bathing evolved really changed the world of at home self care our mission is, right?
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Kayley 1:02:54Â
Yeah, I'll definitely have you guys on again when you have like new things to say about the products and the development process and especially when the launches. Tune in to next time we'll be having some surprise guests and in the future, we will be having David and Well on again. So thank you for listening. Have a good evening. Bye.
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